Thank you Romy. I will pass it through to Dr.Max Dobretsberger, stud manager of Piber. He is also very involved with Noriker! Perhaps he can tell us more about this, almost prehistoric, color variety.
This is some more information I was able to find about this horse. "153 Norbert 407 gray brown striped gray Noriker born 1901 old type breeding stallion in Silesia 1923"
Rommy, if the horse is from Silesia it might be an old heavy oldenburg breed, isn't it? I have been to Silesia and saw those horses there. Of course not the same color.
It may be. I don't know if the horse was bred and born in Silesia or was brought there at some point to stand stud. I will try to find more about him, but the research is not easy ;-) I have found copies of this foto, all with the same info, in several very good sources. I don't have a stud farm name where he would have stood. Do you know of any from there? Is it a recognized Noriker color?
I don't really know if this color is still recognized by the noriker breeding association. I have been to Ksiaz (http://www.ksiaz.walbrzych.pl) in South Silesia. Near the castle they have a breeding facility with, I guess, 200 breeding stallions. They still breed the old oldenburg heavy warmblood there. What I know is, that even in Germany this heavy warmblood is not existing anymore, just in Poland.
No,I am waiting for people to get back to me. Any web sites I have found are in Polish, so I can only look at the pictures! I have not found a web site that belongs to the Ksiaz State Stallion Stud itself. A few people I have talked to have heard of Polish Warmbloods/Silesians, but that is it! Schloss Fürstenstein is amazing. I found a virtual tour of some of the rooms and the view from the highest tower. It is like a castle you would picture for "Sleeping Beauty".
The Polish stud people say they don't know anything about "Old Norbert" but think I should contact the Agriculture Ministry in the Czech Republic because that is where Norikers come from!
Norikers are Austrian horses from "Norikum". Noricum roughly corresponded to the greater part of modern Styria and Carinthia, Austria west of Vienna, Salzburg and part of Bavaria.
Yes, I know and I told them several times, but they insisted that Norikers are from Czech Republic!! So, that line of inquiry is closed, for now. Maybe Dr.Dobretsberger will know something or will know where to find out. Also, possibly the Noriker breeding program at the Schönbrunn Zoo will be able to identify old Norbert and if his great color pattern is still around. I do really like the Norikers, though. I prefer horses with good muscle and bone to the lighter "sport horse" type. Not necessarily tall horses, but well built.
Andreas, do know Welde, the one who was responsible for the shows in Vienna in Wiener Messehallen- once he showed a lot of them in a "Freiheitsdressur", he also breeded horses, which he called "Podhajskyschimmel", a mix between Kladrubys and Welsh Cobs- in my opinion nothing to write home about it. And he leaned by Kurt Albrecht.
Andreas, do you know Welde? The one, who was responsible for the shows in Wiener Messehallen, he once showed this breed in a big "Freiheitsdressur". He also crossbreeded Kladrubys and Welshcobs, called them "Podhajskyschimmel".....was teached by Kurt Albrecht.
Official site of Ksiaz State Stallion Stud: www.stadoksiaz.pl It's a pity they haven't got site in English/German, but I know they speak those languages, so you can write to them ("Kontakt" on site). Greetings from Poland, Wałbrzych!
Thank you so much for this photo! Where is it from? What a strange color ;-)
AntwortenLöschenIt is from this web site-
AntwortenLöschenhttp://www.brindlehorses.com/brinslides/table.htm
Thank you Romy. I will pass it through to Dr.Max Dobretsberger, stud manager of Piber. He is also very involved with Noriker! Perhaps he can tell us more about this, almost prehistoric, color variety.
AntwortenLöschenThis is some more information I was able to find about this horse.
AntwortenLöschen"153 Norbert 407 gray brown striped gray Noriker born 1901 old type breeding stallion in Silesia 1923"
Rommy, if the horse is from Silesia it might be an old heavy oldenburg breed, isn't it?
AntwortenLöschenI have been to Silesia and saw those horses there. Of course not the same color.
It may be. I don't know if the horse was bred and born in Silesia or was brought there at some point to stand stud. I will try to find more about him, but the research is not easy ;-) I have found copies of this foto, all with the same info, in several very good sources. I don't have a stud farm name where he would have stood. Do you know of any from there? Is it a recognized Noriker color?
AntwortenLöschenI don't really know if this color is still recognized by the noriker breeding association.
AntwortenLöschenI have been to Ksiaz (http://www.ksiaz.walbrzych.pl) in South Silesia. Near the castle they have a breeding facility with, I guess, 200 breeding stallions. They still breed the old oldenburg heavy warmblood there. What I know is, that even in Germany this heavy warmblood is not existing anymore, just in Poland.
Thank you for the name of the stud farm. I will start with Ksiaz and see what I can find. The language is always a problem. :-)
AntwortenLöschenRomy
What an amazingly beautiful place Ksiaz is!
AntwortenLöschenIsn't it? The german name of the Castle is "Schloss Fürstenstein".
AntwortenLöschenHave you found any info about the stud farm near the castle?
No,I am waiting for people to get back to me. Any web sites I have found are in Polish, so I can only look at the pictures! I have not found a web site that belongs to the Ksiaz State Stallion Stud itself. A few people I have talked to have heard of Polish Warmbloods/Silesians, but that is it!
AntwortenLöschenSchloss Fürstenstein is amazing. I found a virtual tour of some of the rooms and the view from the highest tower. It is like a castle you would picture for "Sleeping Beauty".
Right, I felt in love with the castle and the stud farm. It seemed to me that time stood still there.
AntwortenLöschenThe Polish stud people say they don't know anything about "Old Norbert" but think I should contact the Agriculture Ministry in the Czech Republic because that is where Norikers come from!
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Norikers are Austrian horses from "Norikum". Noricum roughly corresponded to the greater part of modern Styria and Carinthia, Austria west of Vienna, Salzburg and part of Bavaria.
AntwortenLöschenYes, I know and I told them several times, but they insisted that Norikers are from Czech Republic!! So, that line of inquiry is closed, for now. Maybe Dr.Dobretsberger will know something or will know where to find out. Also, possibly the Noriker breeding program at the Schönbrunn Zoo will be able to identify old Norbert and if his great color pattern is still around.
AntwortenLöschenI do really like the Norikers, though. I prefer horses with good muscle and bone to the lighter "sport horse" type. Not necessarily tall horses, but well built.
Romy
I rode Norikers when I was a teen.
AntwortenLöschenHave any pictures of yourself from that time? I would very much love to see them, I am sure most of us would be interested.
AntwortenLöschenRomy
No, I don't. I would love to have.
AntwortenLöschenAndreas, do know Welde, the one who was responsible for the shows in Vienna
AntwortenLöschenin Wiener Messehallen- once he showed a lot of them in a "Freiheitsdressur",
he also breeded horses, which he called "Podhajskyschimmel", a mix between
Kladrubys and Welsh Cobs- in my opinion nothing to write home about it.
And he leaned by Kurt Albrecht.
Andreas, do you know Welde? The one, who was responsible for the shows in Wiener Messehallen, he once showed this breed in a big "Freiheitsdressur".
AntwortenLöschenHe also crossbreeded Kladrubys and Welshcobs, called them "Podhajskyschimmel".....was teached by Kurt Albrecht.
...and by Podhajsky himself!
AntwortenLöschenI know the Welde's, great people!
I don't know what happened to the "Podhajskyschimmel" though.
Der Fahrer ist leider tödlich verunglückt, es gibt nur noch den "Showman", war aber schon etwas länger her....wirklich ein Verlust.
AntwortenLöschenSehe ich auch so....
AntwortenLöschenOfficial site of Ksiaz State Stallion Stud: www.stadoksiaz.pl
AntwortenLöschenIt's a pity they haven't got site in English/German, but I know they speak those languages, so you can write to them ("Kontakt" on site).
Greetings from Poland, Wałbrzych!