pity that it shows such a dreadful piaff !!!! this horse is not enjoying his work!! in actual fact he looks very uncomfortable. I would suggest that this postcard Is not a very good advert for the SRS
Bobby, How can you think picture one is a trot? Trot is a diagonal movement of the legs. This horse is not moving diagonal pairs of legs. He has three feet on the ground, in a canter.
You are ALL wonderful! Perhaps I need more help on working this board. Should I start a new folder for each Photo so we all don't get confused about which photo we are viewing? I welcome all corrections as I am new. I was not looking at the legs either, I was viewing the "look". Thank you Andreas for yet another learning experience!
I was very lucky to have as a dear friend and trainer Charles Harris FBHS who was one of Col Alois Podhajskys closest friends for many years he also lived with him and his wife I have spent many hours working with Charles and when he died I was lucky enough to be left with a copy of "The Riding Teacher" which Charles has added comments in pen all over because he felt that much of the work was lost in the translation into englsh this little book I treasure and have it with all me always. when I read it I feel very close to my master Charles through the words of the Greatest Master ever Alois Podhajsky
Romy, I am making it my life's work. I started in February and I should have started in 1964 when I received my first postcards from Podhajsky. I still have a very short letter he wrote me and I cherish it. You have hit the point. None of these postcards have any identification or very very little. I have been pestering Andreas for months and I know he is very very busy, but he has been very helpful. And the books I keep buying. I am buying every book I can find to help identify the horses and riders. I feel this is so important for the history of the school, horses and riders! I have been asked by many to write a book. I don't even have all the information yet. I was going to cross-reference it. Right now it is like a gig-saw puzzle. Sometime in the future we will be able to match up horses and riders, and years etc. That is why I joined. Andreas said I could get alot of help from everybody and I am really enjoying myself.
Bobby, I have all of Podhajsky's books. It was the movie by Disney that got me started on the Lipizzaner's. I have been collecting everything I can get my hands on. The one thing I cannot get is the "Operation Cowboy Files" out of our own government. They say they can't find it!
my dear Marcia you would indeen be very interested in the book I have with comments written in red ink throught the translatoin into english I love it and cherish it charles Harris lived with Alois as his guest from the years 48 to 51 and talk about the colonels olympics in the years 36 to 48 Alois always felt that he was very unfairly judged charles also hated the "loose" translation of the word "paces" as he and Alios found the term totaly unacceptable to replace the true intrepetation of "Gaits" sadly nowadays the the term "Paces" has found its way onto mainstream dressage language how sad!!! a pacer is a horse forced to work very fast in trot using laterals rather than working properly on diagonals
I also find certain pictures recently posted of some Lipis to be very much on the overwieght side Andreas shouted me down when I commented on this ! but having thousands of early pictures of lipis workng at all levels over the last few hundred years I have to say that I totaly disagree whith his remarks one only has to look at the pictorial evidance to actualy prove my point
In addition to Photo #1 being a canter rather than piaffe, it was clearly NOT taken in St Martin in 1945 as the subject line says. It was obviously taken in the Winterreitschule in Vienna. The castle at St Martin had only a small covered school in 1945; nothing at all similar to the facilities in Vienna.
I recently purchased a copy of Harris's "The Spanish Notebooks" and find them riveting. How lucky you were to have known Charles Harris. Even with all the turbulence in his personal life, he contributed a good deal to the world of horses.
Andreas, Chief Rider Eichinger looks young in this photo. How old was he when he passed away? My BEST GUESS is the stallion is Maestoso Palmira. BUT, I have a problem with the muzzle. M. Palmira had a very pink muzzle. This stallion does not. Also this jpg Chief Rider Eichinger is YOUNGER than any other photos I have. What about S. Modena?? I am now cross-eyed! Your or anybodies' best guess?
If the stallion is shown in ground training/handling, for example on my many postcards do they ever get "promoted" to a higher level?
Because this is such a mess, why don't they take some NEW photos! I am purchasing new postcards, but the photos are as much as 20-30 years old. I know it is not your decision, but who makes this decision.
Thousands of new cards? Where can I get them! Andreas, are there any postcards of you? Where do I get one? I thought what I had were new cards, or at least the latest ones selling in Vienna.
I have added another postcard.... It came as the latest cards available.
I have seen this picture before, but I do not know which stallion this is. Andreas, could you trace him for me? I am very interested, because of his specific exterior!
The SRS used to have an online shop where you could buy merchandise like postcards but sadly these days one must visit in person to buy new cards (such a hardship :) There are some nice new ones to be had - but never enough!
One of my favourite pages on the SRS site has mugshots of Famous School Stallions. They are so lovely - I wish this page was expanded - aren't they all famous? :^)
I have heard this about the museum. Is there anybody we can find in Vienna to get us these postcards? Pay them. I have asked many of my German Traders and nobody lives near enough to the Museum to go there.
Andreas, do you know anybody who could help us? Somebody with time on there hands? Marcia
Does anybody know somebody at the Lipica Stud? I have 5 postcards that I need help with identification and I was writing somebody who said they would help but I have never heard back from them.
Marcia, If you post the pictures of the Lipica stud, there are people who are members of H&D who may be able to identify them. But you will need patience as many people do not check H&D every day and also, they would have to do their own checking of their sources before they could answer any questions. ;-) There is a great depth of knowledge here, but it takes time.
Romy, I am sorry that my post was kinda wrong. I know everybody is very busy and this list is a wonderful place. I have all the time I need to get this done. I did not mean I needed a rush job. I am sorry to have stated that post the way I did. I did not mean that at all.
All of you have been wonderful with your knowledge!
Extra book. I have a extra paperback book called the Spanish Riding School of Vienna. Edited By Bundesministerium Fur Land Vienna 1967. Purchased by accident. Please email me at marcia@ntin.net. I am trying to clean up my room to make MORE room!
This is a former chief rider of the Lipica-stud (in those times Yugoslavia, nowadays Slovenia). His name is Klavdij (Claudio) Maver. He is the father of the present Slovenian dressage rider Igor Maver (rider of Favory Canissa XXII, the stallion which was given to HM Queen Elisabeth).
In 1975 Klavdij Maver spent some months in the SRS, in order to be trained intensively.
His all-time star horse was the Lipizzaner stallion "Favory Dubovina" (Lipica, 1959), which was also trained by him on long reigns. (note: this is a different stallion than the former SRS-stallion with the same name)
I do not know which horse he is riding on this picture. Might be Siglavy Slavina, but I am not sure.
I think this is Maestoso IX Ancona (Piber, 1951) - Caprioleur in the SRS - Son of Col.Podhajsky's Maestoso Alea - Sire of Maestoso Saffa (OB Tchautscher's), Maestoso Perla, Maestoso Perletta - Grandsire of Maestoso Basowizza (OB Hausberger's), Maestoso Cattinara (Mr.Bauer's), Maestoso Virtuosa (Mr.Seiberl's) and Maestoso Fabiola (OB Eder's)
Thank you very much for your information. The horse he is riding is Favry Dubovina II. The back of the card states this. So he is riding his favorite Stallion. The spelling is wrong on the card (Favry) but that could be a printing error. You have been very very helpful and I thank you!
marcia500 said: "The horse he is riding is Favory Dubovina II"
I do not recognize F.Dubovina II in this picture. I knew the stallion myself. [Let him even do a levade.... secretly in his stable.... in ancient Yugoslavian times - I think I would have been shot for this, if they had discovered this... ;-) ]
But perhaps it is a picture from a different angle, or from his younger years.
Andreas said "I'll find out as soon as I'm back to Vienna!"
Funny, when I saw this picture, my first thought was "Siglavy Modena". But I am definitely not sure about this. I even do not know, why I thought so. Afterward I saw that another H&D-member also mentioned this name... so this might be a clue!
That's a remarkable jump ! Looks like a mezair (a single jump like a courbette, or a forwards-upwards croupade, with an angle of 45 degrees). But not quite balanced (the back legs nor the fore legs are in a identical position). For an ideal picture of the jump, the back legs should be folded under the body.
If you look at the horse's sight, he is not quite satisfied with the situation either... :-)
I do not recognize the rider, nor the horse. (could be Lichtenauer in his younger years, but I am not quite sure about this)
For me, this is just a failed picture... Let's file the picture as a curiosity ;-)
I have this as Head Rider Zrust on C. Brezovica in the 1930's. There are tons of photos of this horse and most of the riders look the same. He always seems to be clutching his teeth together. Weird photo. All it says is Courbette on the back.
Andreas, I might be wrong. Look at the new photo I added. This looks like the same horse & rider. What do you think? I am still looking for the original photo.
It is definitely not Sankt Martin. It's pretty flat there; no bank and steps near the riding arena there. The SRS was only in St Martin for about 1 year. They arrived in March 1945 and moved to a former headquarters of a Dragoon regiment in Wels in April 1946.
A doubt, if I may: Kalvdij's all-time star horse was indeed F. Dubovina. But according to my info, that was Favory Dubovina IV born in Piber in 1964. The stallion is depicted on the cover of the english version of the book Lipizzaner, issued to commemorate 400 Years of Lipica.
Dear Sandi, Please find my comments about this confusion of the F.Dubovina's elsewhere, which I posted earlier today. The star horse of Klavdij was definitely Favory Dubovina II, born in Lipica. 100% sure, I knew the stallion myself!
The other one, 321 Favory Dubovina-4 from Piber was a Quadrille-stallion who did not perform a pesade or levade. When he was in Lipica he was only lunged, not ridden.
It truly is confusing, specially with Lipica horses, as they almost never ever announce them with names at performances, so one really needs to know them personally for sure and even then it may become confusing. So disregard my post above, please.
I am going to guess Oberbereiter Irbinger with Siglavy Monterosa.
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I believe you are right. I found two other postcards that almost match this photo. Thank you very much!
AntwortenLöschenpity that it shows such a dreadful piaff !!!! this horse is not enjoying his work!!
AntwortenLöschenThis is Col. Podhajsky.
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pity that it shows such a dreadful piaff !!!! this horse is not enjoying his work!! in actual fact he looks very uncomfortable. I would suggest that this postcard Is not a very good advert for the SRS
AntwortenLöschenBobby,
AntwortenLöschenRefering to the first picture? I don't think he is doing a Piaffe. It looks to me like a canter pirouette.
Romy
Chief Rider Irbinger
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Irbinger is doing right canter on the short side, the stallion spooks from the camera.
AntwortenLöschenno I am almost 100 % sure that it is not Alois and still unsure if you are correct on the pick showing pirouette to the left
AntwortenLöschenIt's clearly visible that the horse is touching the ground with three feet, that means of course: CANTER! ;-)
AntwortenLöschen" the stallion spooks from the camera. "
AntwortenLöschenThank you for explaining that, Andreas. It is good to have info from the "inside"!
Kisses
Romy
or an extremely bad and high above the bit ,attempt at over collected trot!
AntwortenLöschenBobby,
AntwortenLöschenPicture 2 is definitely Col. Podhajsky.
Romy
there is one wonderfull photo however of col Pod riding a fantastic Piaff
AntwortenLöschenBobby,
AntwortenLöschenHow can you think picture one is a trot? Trot is a diagonal movement of the legs. This horse is not moving diagonal pairs of legs. He has three feet on the ground, in a canter.
Romy.
sorry to andreas the stallion is indeed working on the right rein my mistake but still disagree on the other comments just got my direction wrong!
AntwortenLöschenYou are ALL wonderful! Perhaps I need more help on working this board. Should I start a new folder for each Photo so we all don't get confused about which photo we are viewing? I welcome all corrections as I am new. I was not looking at the legs either, I was viewing the "look". Thank you Andreas for yet another learning experience!
AntwortenLöschenAndreas do you know the horse in the Levade?
AntwortenLöschenNo, I don't
AntwortenLöschenYes, please! Start a new folder where you put all your postcards!
AntwortenLöschenMaybe Neapolitano Nautika .......
AntwortenLöschenIt might be a good idea if you could expand this folder and rename it to "Who ist this?"
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AntwortenLöschenI think Podhajsky, in foto 2, is riding Maestoso Alea. Am I right?
Romy
hmmmmm...... I don't think so
AntwortenLöschenI was very lucky to have as a dear friend and trainer Charles Harris FBHS who was one of Col Alois Podhajskys closest friends for many years he also lived with him and his wife I have spent many hours working with Charles and when he died I was lucky enough to be left with a copy of "The Riding Teacher" which Charles has added comments in pen all over because he felt that much of the work was lost in the translation into englsh this little book I treasure and have it with all me always. when I read it I feel very close to my master Charles through the words of the Greatest Master ever Alois Podhajsky
AntwortenLöschenOne could make a life's work out of identifying SRS horses and riders! So many of the pictures from the past have no documentation.
AntwortenLöschenRomy
No This is Podhajsky N. Africa. He did not start to ride M. Alea until 1953-55.
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thats very true Romy
AntwortenLöschenI just posted 3 postcards of M. Alea in 1957.
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Romy, I am making it my life's work. I started in February and I should have started in 1964 when I received my first postcards from Podhajsky. I still have a very short letter he wrote me and I cherish it. You have hit the point. None of these postcards have any identification or very very little. I have been pestering Andreas for months and I know he is very very busy, but he has been very helpful. And the books I keep buying. I am buying every book I can find to help identify the horses and riders. I feel this is so important for the history of the school, horses and riders! I have been asked by many to write a book. I don't even have all the information yet. I was going to cross-reference it. Right now it is like a gig-saw puzzle. Sometime in the future we will be able to match up horses and riders, and years etc. That is why I joined. Andreas said I could get alot of help from everybody and I am really enjoying myself.
AntwortenLöschenBobby, I have all of Podhajsky's books. It was the movie by Disney that got me started on the Lipizzaner's. I have been collecting everything I can get my hands on. The one thing I cannot get is the "Operation Cowboy Files" out of our own government. They say they can't find it!
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
my dear Marcia you would indeen be very interested in the book I have with comments written in red ink throught the translatoin into english I love it and cherish it charles Harris lived with Alois as his guest from the years 48 to 51 and talk about the colonels olympics in the years 36 to 48 Alois always felt that he was very unfairly judged charles also hated the "loose" translation of the word "paces" as he and Alios found the term totaly unacceptable to replace the true intrepetation of "Gaits" sadly nowadays the the term "Paces" has found its way onto mainstream dressage language how sad!!! a pacer is a horse forced to work very fast in trot using laterals rather than working properly on diagonals
AntwortenLöschenI also find certain pictures recently posted of some Lipis to be very much on the overwieght side Andreas shouted me down when I commented on this ! but having thousands of early pictures of lipis workng at all levels over the last few hundred years I have to say that I totaly disagree whith his remarks one only has to look at the pictorial evidance to actualy prove my point
AntwortenLöschenI agree with Andreas, that this could be Neapolitano Nautika
AntwortenLöschenIn addition to Photo #1 being a canter rather than piaffe, it was clearly NOT taken in St Martin in 1945 as the subject line says. It was obviously taken in the Winterreitschule in Vienna. The castle at St Martin had only a small covered school in 1945; nothing at all similar to the facilities in Vienna.
AntwortenLöschenI recently purchased a copy of Harris's "The Spanish Notebooks" and find them riveting. How lucky you were to have known Charles Harris. Even with all the turbulence in his personal life, he contributed a good deal to the world of horses.
AntwortenLöschenAs far as I know, this stallion is Neapolitano Africa.
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Eichinger
AntwortenLöschenAndreas, Chief Rider Eichinger looks young in this photo. How old was he when he passed away? My BEST GUESS is the stallion is Maestoso Palmira. BUT, I have a problem with the muzzle. M. Palmira had a very pink muzzle. This stallion does not. Also this jpg Chief Rider Eichinger is YOUNGER than any other photos I have. What about S. Modena?? I am now cross-eyed! Your or anybodies' best guess?
AntwortenLöschenThanks again
Marcia
Could be ....
AntwortenLöschenIt's not Maestoso Palmira
If the stallion is shown in ground training/handling, for example on my many postcards do they ever get "promoted" to a higher level?
AntwortenLöschenBecause this is such a mess, why don't they take some NEW photos! I am purchasing new postcards, but the photos are as much as 20-30 years old. I know it is not your decision, but who makes this decision.
Marcia
AntwortenLöschenOberbereiter Eichinger died on 7 June 2009, I believe he was 70 years old.
Romy
Marcia, there are thousands of news ones!
AntwortenLöschenThousands of new cards? Where can I get them! Andreas, are there any postcards of you? Where do I get one? I thought what I had were new cards, or at least the latest ones selling in Vienna.
AntwortenLöschenI have added another postcard.... It came as the latest cards available.
Photos of me are in the photo section of this site!
AntwortenLöschenRider Radnetter and Siglavy Troja I
AntwortenLöschenI have seen this picture before, but I do not know which stallion this is. Andreas, could you trace him for me? I am very interested, because of his specific exterior!
AntwortenLöschenThe SRS used to have an online shop where you could buy merchandise like postcards but sadly these days one must visit in person to buy new cards (such a hardship :) There are some nice new ones to be had - but never enough!
AntwortenLöschenOne of my favourite pages on the SRS site has mugshots of Famous School Stallions. They are so lovely - I wish this page was expanded - aren't they all famous? :^)
I have heard this about the museum. Is there anybody we can find in Vienna to get us these postcards? Pay them. I have asked many of my German Traders and nobody lives near enough to the Museum to go there.
AntwortenLöschenAndreas, do you know anybody who could help us? Somebody with time on there hands?
Marcia
Does anybody know somebody at the Lipica Stud? I have 5 postcards that I need help with identification and I was writing somebody who said they would help but I have never heard back from them.
AntwortenLöschenMarcia,
AntwortenLöschenIf you post the pictures of the Lipica stud, there are people who are members of H&D who may be able to identify them. But you will need patience as many people do not check H&D every day and also, they would have to do their own checking of their sources before they could answer any questions. ;-) There is a great depth of knowledge here, but it takes time.
Kisses
Romy
The english page for Famous School Stallions is http://www.srs.at/index.php?id=435
AntwortenLöschenRomy, I am sorry that my post was kinda wrong. I know everybody is very busy and this list is a wonderful place. I have all the time I need to get this done. I did not mean I needed a rush job. I am sorry to have stated that post the way I did. I did not mean that at all.
AntwortenLöschenAll of you have been wonderful with your knowledge!
Thank you very much.
Marcia
Extra book. I have a extra paperback book called the Spanish Riding School of Vienna. Edited By Bundesministerium Fur Land Vienna 1967. Purchased by accident. Please email me at marcia@ntin.net. I am trying to clean up my room to make MORE room!
AntwortenLöschenThanks
First Chief Rider Tschautscher and Neapolitano Troja I
AntwortenLöschenI'll find out as soon as I'm back to Vienna!
AntwortenLöschenThis is a former chief rider of the Lipica-stud (in those times Yugoslavia, nowadays Slovenia). His name is Klavdij (Claudio) Maver. He is the father of the present Slovenian dressage rider Igor Maver (rider of Favory Canissa XXII, the stallion which was given to HM Queen Elisabeth).
AntwortenLöschenIn 1975 Klavdij Maver spent some months in the SRS, in order to be trained intensively.
His all-time star horse was the Lipizzaner stallion "Favory Dubovina" (Lipica, 1959), which was also trained by him on long reigns. (note: this is a different stallion than the former SRS-stallion with the same name)
I do not know which horse he is riding on this picture. Might be Siglavy Slavina, but I am not sure.
I think this is Maestoso IX Ancona (Piber, 1951) - Caprioleur in the SRS
AntwortenLöschen- Son of Col.Podhajsky's Maestoso Alea
- Sire of Maestoso Saffa (OB Tchautscher's), Maestoso Perla, Maestoso Perletta
- Grandsire of Maestoso Basowizza (OB Hausberger's), Maestoso Cattinara (Mr.Bauer's), Maestoso Virtuosa (Mr.Seiberl's) and Maestoso Fabiola (OB Eder's)
Hengst = stallion
AntwortenLöschenThank you very much for your information. The horse he is riding is Favry Dubovina II. The back of the card states this. So he is riding his favorite Stallion. The spelling is wrong on the card (Favry) but that could be a printing error. You have been very very helpful and I thank you!
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
marcia500 said:
AntwortenLöschen"The horse he is riding is Favory Dubovina II"
I do not recognize F.Dubovina II in this picture. I knew the stallion myself. [Let him even do a levade.... secretly in his stable.... in ancient Yugoslavian times - I think I would have been shot for this, if they had discovered this... ;-) ]
But perhaps it is a picture from a different angle, or from his younger years.
Andreas said
AntwortenLöschen"I'll find out as soon as I'm back to Vienna!"
Funny, when I saw this picture, my first thought was "Siglavy Modena". But I am definitely not sure about this. I even do not know, why I thought so. Afterward I saw that another H&D-member also mentioned this name... so this might be a clue!
Thank you very much for this very valuable information. Thank you, Thanks for your help.
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
Again Col.Podhajsky with Neapolitano Africa
AntwortenLöschenThat's a remarkable jump ! Looks like a mezair (a single jump like a courbette, or a forwards-upwards croupade, with an angle of 45 degrees). But not quite balanced (the back legs nor the fore legs are in a identical position).
AntwortenLöschenFor an ideal picture of the jump, the back legs should be folded under the body.
If you look at the horse's sight, he is not quite satisfied with the situation either... :-)
I do not recognize the rider, nor the horse. (could be Lichtenauer in his younger years, but I am not quite sure about this)
For me, this is just a failed picture... Let's file the picture as a curiosity ;-)
Can you recognize where this photo was taken? Was it St Martin?
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
First Chief Rider Krzisch and Siglavy Mantua I
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Wahl and ............
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Irbinger
AntwortenLöschenNot really......
AntwortenLöschenI have this as Head Rider Zrust on C. Brezovica in the 1930's. There are tons of photos of this horse and most of the riders look the same. He always seems to be clutching his teeth together. Weird photo. All it says is Courbette on the back.
AntwortenLöschenThanks Andreas, now I have to find the horse.......
AntwortenLöschenTHANK YOU
MArcia
I'm not so sure anymore........
AntwortenLöschenWahl....
Zrust....
hmmmmmm......
Andreas, I might be wrong. Look at the new photo I added. This looks like the same horse & rider. What do you think? I am still looking for the original photo.
AntwortenLöschenI don't see a new photo here in this album, where is it?
AntwortenLöschenI lost my DSL. I am on Dial Up!
AntwortenLöschenI am still looking for the original photo to match the card........
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
Marcia, I have a project for you! Can you move all your photos and postcards to one album? Then it's easier to find your new posts ;-
AntwortenLöschenAndreas Nothing is working for me. I cannot get this photo loaded. I keep losing my connection.
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
It is definitely not Sankt Martin. It's pretty flat there; no bank and steps near the riding arena there. The SRS was only in St Martin for about 1 year. They arrived in March 1945 and moved to a former headquarters of a Dragoon regiment in Wels in April 1946.
AntwortenLöschenA doubt, if I may: Kalvdij's all-time star horse was indeed F. Dubovina. But according to my info, that was Favory Dubovina IV born in Piber in 1964. The stallion is depicted on the cover of the english version of the book Lipizzaner, issued to commemorate 400 Years of Lipica.
AntwortenLöschenA link to the picture I mention: http://konji.net/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10104/favory_dubovina_iv_web.jpg
Dear Sandi,
AntwortenLöschenPlease find my comments about this confusion of the F.Dubovina's elsewhere, which I posted earlier today. The star horse of Klavdij was definitely Favory Dubovina II, born in Lipica. 100% sure, I knew the stallion myself!
The other one, 321 Favory Dubovina-4 from Piber was a Quadrille-stallion who did not perform a pesade or levade. When he was in Lipica he was only lunged, not ridden.
I discovered this picture in the book "Lipica" by Prof.dr. Joze Jurkovic (1973): according to the text it wás Favory Dubovina II (Lipica, 1959)
AntwortenLöschenSo this is the same horse as the stallion on long rein with Klavdij
It truly is confusing, specially with Lipica horses, as they almost never ever announce them with names at performances, so one really needs to know them personally for sure and even then it may become confusing. So disregard my post above, please.
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