Well, she even doesn't spell "Maestoso" right, nor "Favory"! Of course "Maestro" wasn't common in her time, but maybe "Favori" was. Atjan might know ... Interesting is the fact that there were Arab stallions to breed with in Lipica and that they sent young stock to Kladrub for training. I hope by train and not walking!
Yes, there are. In fact, in recent years there's more and more of them, causing problems to people having their livestock (mostly affected are sheep and goats, rarely cattle and horses) out at the pastures 24/7. I don't know of any recent occasion the wolves would be causing any problem to Lipica and it horses though. But Lipica keeps the horses indoors overnight.
However today the area is rather full with forests Today, while it was almost desert 100 years ago... I don't know much about the wolfs, but it is interesting for me for as far as I know the wolves we have are living in the forests...
There are many brown bears in my area, also. They come right into towns and villages, wandering on the streets and going through people's garbage. Several times, the police have had to herd them out of town, using their cars. Area restaurants always send more than one person out to throw away garbage because very often bears will be waiting for it!!
In the 2nd half of the 19th century, many Arabian horses were bought in the Middle East, and transported to Trieste (the Austrian sea harbor in ancient times). Most of those Arabians were meant for the large state and military studfarms of Mezöhegyes, Radautz, and Babolna, in order to produce horses for the cavalry.
Sometimes Lippiza's stable master picked out some interesting horses for the imperial stud (as Lippiza is only a few miles from Trieste). A small pure Arabian herd was kept in Lippiza. These horses were also bred to pure "Karster" (= traditional baroque Lipizzaner). Sometimes these "Gemischte Karster" (crossbred Lipizzan-Arab) reached the SRS. The Oberbereiter of the SRS started to complain about these horses, because of their lack of ability to collect and their flat movements. This was one of the reasons that Emperor Franz Josef ordered to stop these crossings in Lippiza around 1880. Only pure "Karster" were selected for the SRS.
Sometimes Arabian stallions (or partbreds with a lot of Arabian blood) of the highest quality, bred in Mezöhegyes, Radautz or Babolna were bought by the Imperial Stablemaster, and send to the SRS to be trained by the imperial court riders. (Note: therefore the story that only stallions from Lippiza were used in the SRS is definitely NOT true!!). I have a drawing of an Arabian stallion, called "Aly", bred in Mezöhegyes being trained in the SRS. (Just as I have picture of a Incitato-stallion, bred in Mezöhegyes, trained in the SRS)
So: the appearance of oriental horses in the SRS took mostly place between 1850-1880. But was no success. The traditional baroque typed "Karster" was/is far more ideal for classical dressage.
Btw: the very last Arabian stallions, being the SRS were a stallion called Gazlan and his son (an Arabo-Lipizzan halfbred) in the 80'-ies. The sire was trained by OB Kottas, and later used in Piber. Andreas may remember that son. The appearance of this Gazlan was a breeding experiment in order to increase the genetic diversity in Piber It did not work out though. Too oriental in type... ;-)
Yes, the spelling of Favory in ancient studbook was sometimes "Favori" Just as Siglavy/Siglavi. And Maestoso was sometimes spelled as "Majestoso". (In Italy the Neapolitano's are still named as "Napolitano" )
Yes, that was the common habit in Imperial times: all young stallions and mares were first sent to Kladrub for the basic training. The best stallions went to the SRS, the suitable majority was sent to the imperial stables in Vienna, or to other imperial transportation departments. The rest was sold.
In earlier times, the horse were taken from Lippiza to Kladrub by foot! (about 770km/480mi). Later they were taken by railway.
Great reading, thanks for sharing!!
AntwortenLöschenYou are most welcome, Sandi !!
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This is so interesting Romy! Please keep searching for such info!
AntwortenLöschenHey Hausi,
AntwortenLöschenAnything in this article you would disagree with? The same question for Atjan.
{{Romy}}
Well, she even doesn't spell "Maestoso" right, nor "Favory"! Of course "Maestro" wasn't common in her time, but maybe "Favori" was. Atjan might know ...
AntwortenLöschenInteresting is the fact that there were Arab stallions to breed with in Lipica and that they sent young stock to Kladrub for training. I hope by train and not walking!
I heard that we had once about ten Arab stallions at the school in training. The Chief Riders complained about that, because they were useless!
AntwortenLöschenDo you know when the last Arab stallions were used?
AntwortenLöschenKnowing how strong Lipizzaners are, they could probably do it !! :-)))
AntwortenLöschenFrom the paddock and untrained?
AntwortenLöschenNo, but Atjan might know that!
AntwortenLöschenInteresting are the wolfs, and that they used Mastiffs to protect the foals in the herd.
AntwortenLöschenThat would make the trip more interesting, for sure ;-)
AntwortenLöschenan excellent idea, mastiff's are excellent protectors of livestock. Do you know if there are still wolves in the area?
AntwortenLöschenI just printed the pages, and will look into it! A very interesting document!
AntwortenLöschenYes, there are. In fact, in recent years there's more and more of them, causing problems to people having their livestock (mostly affected are sheep and goats, rarely cattle and horses) out at the pastures 24/7. I don't know of any recent occasion the wolves would be causing any problem to Lipica and it horses though. But Lipica keeps the horses indoors overnight.
AntwortenLöschenHowever today the area is rather full with forests Today, while it was almost desert 100 years ago... I don't know much about the wolfs, but it is interesting for me for as far as I know the wolves we have are living in the forests...
Anyway, we have all the beasts, too many actually: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6293B720100310
There are many brown bears in my area, also. They come right into towns and villages, wandering on the streets and going through people's garbage. Several times, the police have had to herd them out of town, using their cars. Area restaurants always send more than one person out to throw away garbage because very often bears will be waiting for it!!
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Similar here. I personally know a guy who survived the attack... not nice.
AntwortenLöschenIn the 2nd half of the 19th century, many Arabian horses were bought in the Middle East, and transported to Trieste (the Austrian sea harbor in ancient times). Most of those Arabians were meant for the large state and military studfarms of Mezöhegyes, Radautz, and Babolna, in order to produce horses for the cavalry.
AntwortenLöschenSometimes Lippiza's stable master picked out some interesting horses for the imperial stud (as Lippiza is only a few miles from Trieste). A small pure Arabian herd was kept in Lippiza. These horses were also bred to pure "Karster" (= traditional baroque Lipizzaner). Sometimes these "Gemischte Karster" (crossbred Lipizzan-Arab) reached the SRS. The Oberbereiter of the SRS started to complain about these horses, because of their lack of ability to collect and their flat movements. This was one of the reasons that Emperor Franz Josef ordered to stop these crossings in Lippiza around 1880. Only pure "Karster" were selected for the SRS.
Sometimes Arabian stallions (or partbreds with a lot of Arabian blood) of the highest quality, bred in Mezöhegyes, Radautz or Babolna were bought by the Imperial Stablemaster, and send to the SRS to be trained by the imperial court riders. (Note: therefore the story that only stallions from Lippiza were used in the SRS is definitely NOT true!!). I have a drawing of an Arabian stallion, called "Aly", bred in Mezöhegyes being trained in the SRS. (Just as I have picture of a Incitato-stallion, bred in Mezöhegyes, trained in the SRS)
So: the appearance of oriental horses in the SRS took mostly place between 1850-1880. But was no success. The traditional baroque typed "Karster" was/is far more ideal for classical dressage.
Btw: the very last Arabian stallions, being the SRS were a stallion called Gazlan and his son (an Arabo-Lipizzan halfbred) in the 80'-ies. The sire was trained by OB Kottas, and later used in Piber. Andreas may remember that son. The appearance of this Gazlan was a breeding experiment in order to increase the genetic diversity in Piber It did not work out though. Too oriental in type... ;-)
Yes, the spelling of Favory in ancient studbook was sometimes "Favori" Just as Siglavy/Siglavi. And Maestoso was sometimes spelled as "Majestoso". (In Italy the Neapolitano's are still named as "Napolitano" )
AntwortenLöschenYes, that was the common habit in Imperial times: all young stallions and mares were first sent to Kladrub for the basic training. The best stallions went to the SRS, the suitable majority was sent to the imperial stables in Vienna, or to other imperial transportation departments. The rest was sold.
AntwortenLöschenIn earlier times, the horse were taken from Lippiza to Kladrub by foot! (about 770km/480mi).
Later they were taken by railway.