This article was written by Sadie Babits while a junior in High School in Salmon, Idaho. She interviewed Carl Zieglar, who was assigned the task of finding the lost Lippazzan mares during WWII. Sadie is now a reporter for Public Radio Network, Flagstafff, Arizona. This article was published in the Rocky Mountain Rider, of Hamilton, Montana, in 1998. In April, 1945, First Sergeant Carl Zieglar, 319th Infantry Unit, 80th Division, received orders to go on a special mission…orders issued by General George Patton, himself. Nineteen-year-old Zieglar and two other soldiers, who were fighting World War II in Europe, were to cross into Yugoslavia, through enemy lines, and rescue Lipizzaner mares which had been released two years before into the countryside by Vienna’s famed Spanish Riding School. The war had taken its toll on the classical riding school, which was located in the heart of the Austrian city. Although the academy’s director, Colonel Alois Podhajsky, had kept the school running, funding was very low and the safety of the animals and personnel was threatened. After General Patton succeeded in taking Vienna, Podhajsky gave Patton a special performance and convinced Patton to put the school under U.S. Army protection for the remainder of the war. Zieglar had grown up on a ranch in Challis, Idaho, where he had worked his grandfather’s horses. He could read the large horse herd of 300 head, pick out the lead mare, and work with problem animals. When Zieglar was drafted to fight in World War II, the Army thought so highly of his equine expertise that they stamped “Horse Experience” on all of his official paperwork. In the Army, Zieglar and several comrades who were part American Indian were nicknamed “warriors.” The name reflected their hard-working go-getter attitudes, and they were always ready to serve their country. When Patton issued orders for the rescue mission, Zieglar and two other “warriors” were assigned to the task. Zieglar, who now resides on a ranch in Salmon, Idaho, recalls, “Our outfit, commanded by General Patton, recaptured Vienna. When I first went to the Spanish Riding School, they had not had any money for two years. The Austrian government did not have any money to spend on the School to keep it going. In 1943, with the war right on them, the Spanish Riding School had no choice but to turn loose seventeen of the world’s most revered horses. Not only could they not afford to keep them, the horses’ lives were endangered because horses had become a food source during the war. The breeding stock mares were left to find their own ways and to fend for themselves. “At the time, I believe they had eleven studs…and those were all the horses they had left. There weren’t any mares at all. It was Patton’s idea to rescue those mares.” Once Patton had secured Vienna, he focused his attention on rescuing the mares. “General Patton was quite a horseman,” recollects Zieglar. “He was a heck of a person for anything traditional.” Patton sent Piper Cub airplanes to search war-torn Europe for the Lipizzaners. After several surveillance flights, pilots located the horses in Yugoslavia, not far from Sarejevo. The country was covered by rugged mountains and thick forests, and quite similar to the territory along the Middle Fork of the Salmon River in Zieglar’s home state of Idaho. To the fleeing Lipizzaner mares, this rough terrain meant sanctuary: however, it put a hitch in the rescue plans by making it impossible to land a plane. “They decided that a ‘touch and go’ landing would work the best,” explains Zieglar. “Since the planes couldn’t land, they were to run along with their wheels on the ground and I was to bail out. I was 19 years old and, at that time, I thought I was indestructible. I thought nothing would hurt me, I would try anything.” In late spring, Zieglar and the two other young soldiers assigned to the mission boarded Piper Cubs. Each was to work independently of the others, and had five days in which to bring the horses out to Ach, Czechoslovakia. In the plane, the men could not stand or sit up because the chances of being shot were extremely big. Zieglar spent the entire plane ride lying on his side, ready to roll out at the appropriate time. “At that time, Yugoslavia was under the control of General Tito. The Russians had gone around Yugoslavia and into Czechoslovakia. I flew over their lines and then through the Yugoslavian lines because that was where the horses were.” Zieglar’s supplies included a 20-foot rope, any food he could carry, a compass and a knife. He was not allowed to carry a gun or any identification papers showing he was an American. “The word was that if we got captured, nobody knew us,” says Zieglar. An airplane flew over the area daily to check on the three men. “They flew over to see if I was all right…but they didn’t bother to bring me any food.” In the wilds of Yugoslavia, Zieglar found the Lipizzaners nestled in a densely forested area. They were running with a band of various other horse breeds, many of which were draft horses. He was greeted with a horrific sight. Food had been scarce, and the beautiful mares were skin and bone. Their manes were knotted and matted. Now came the treacherous process to getting the horses back across enemy lines. At the Spanish Riding School, only stallions were broke to ride. Mares, which were only used for breeding purposes, were never ridden, and only knew how to lead. “The only horse I could catch was a one-eyed brood mare,” says Zieglar. “She was a gentle old mare, and when I got to where I was going, she was broke. I went over 50 miles with her. She was the lead mare and every place she went, all the others followed.” Zieglar had eleven Lipizzaners under his care: four older mares, two fillies, and five colts. They traveled at night, staying away from enemy lines, and kept to ridge tops because it was impossible to get the horses through the impassible forests at the bottoms of the canyons. Sometimes, they were only a few feet away from a village. No one ever found out. “I even watered horses in towns that didn’t know I was there at three o’clock in the morning. There was one time when the enemy could see my old mare’s behind.” Zieglar was confronted by one major problem…grazing. “I’d find a glade up in the hills that was maybe a sixteenth of an acre in size, and I’d stop and let the horses eat it all. It was hard to tell when you would find any more feed.” While the horses grazed, Zieglar spent the day searching for a safe route to travel during the night. Relief swept over the First Sergeant Zieglar when he crossed the border into Czechoslovakia. “I was thanking God that I gotten the horses out.” Upon reaching Ach, he turned the Lipizzaners over, and did not see them again for several weeks. From Ach, Patton placed the horses once again under the control of the Spanish Riding School. There was still not enough grain and hay to feed the horses, so Patton appropriated enough food to keep the horses fed. “Patton was the one who kept the school going,” affirms Zieglar. “If it hadn’t been for that old man, the School would have stopped right then, because there was no way it could have survived through the war without his help.” |
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Rescue of the White Mares
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The dangers and sacrifices that have been made to ensure the survival of the Lipizzaner through the centuries - not only during WWII, but Napoleonic and others, is heart-wrenching, and makes it even more important for current breeders and owners to maintain the tradition and ensure the future of the Lipizzaner. We hold a part of history in our hands, not ours to own, but ours to protect for future generations.
AntwortenLöschenThank you for posting this, Andreas
Another example of the connection between Americans and Lipizzaners and of the deep emotional feeling Lipzzaners bring out in those who are lucky enough to work with them. What a brave and exceptional young man Ziegler was.
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"After General Patton succeeded in taking Vienna, Podhajsky gave Patton a special performance and convinced Patton to put the school under U.S. Army protection for the remainder of the war."
AntwortenLöschenBut isn't there some confusion in the Text?
Yes, you are right. Definitely not historically correct...hmm
AntwortenLöschenI wonder if the author simply did not know the correct, factual history or if Zeigler, in recalling long past events, was confused.
I think this story is extremely questionable. US troops to my knowledge never entered Vienna. Sarajevo is in Bosnia and Hercegovina and to reach Czech or Slovakia would take way longer than five days. It would take to cross Croatia, Slovenia and Austria. Further on, I doubt Podhajsky would let loose any horses in the nature in 1943 and If I am not mistaken, Piber stud was already in Hostau at that time (Lipica wastaken there in 1943 after fall of Italy and I think it was taken to Hostau way after Piber). So where would Podhajksy get mares to let them loose? Besides, could he do so with horses in Piber, if he was not there but in Vienna? Distance from Vienna to Sarajevo is some 800 km. I doubt the horses would go from peaceful Austria (in 1943 Vienna was no frontline, nor was Piber!) to Bosnia where there was top war period at the time - thee battles of Neretva and Sutjeska took place in Bosnia that year, both being the biggest battles of WWII in Yugoslavia. Also, the Russians didn't entirely go arround Yugoslavia, Belgrade was freed by common army of yugoslavian Tito's Partisans and Red Army soldiers. They truly never entered Sarajevo though.
AntwortenLöschenA bit too many facts are questionable for the stroy to be true. So either the author and mr. Zeigler had no clue of geography and this took place somewhere else, or the story is totally made up, but inspired on the real rescue of horses from Hostau. I vote for the latter.
I think I too would vote for the later - although in reading it originally, I thought perhaps I was the one with incorrect thoughts on how things occurred. My mare's great grandmother was born at Hostau and it was my belief that the mares had all been sent there early in the War. Written by a high school junior, perhaps the entire subject needs more research if it is to be authenticated.
AntwortenLöschenNone the less, the efforts of many and the dangers faced at the time were quite real. The preservation of the breed is always in the hands of the generation who is entrusted with them.
Andreas, this story is too inaccurate -- I cannot believe it is true! Lipizzaner mares roaming the wilds of Yugoslavia for two years? Turned loose by the SRS in Vienna? (Patton securing Vienna?!) Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia did not even share a border!
AntwortenLöschenI am the one who found the article online last week and sent it to Andreas to find out what he or the SRS knew about it. We had wanted to keep it quiet until we had more information about it and had interviewed Carl Zieglar ourselves. It will be interesting to find out if either Piber or the SRS know anything about it.
AntwortenLöschenA strange and remarkable story. I agree completely that this story can not be true. Simply because of geographical and historical facts, developments and time lines during WW II.
AntwortenLöschenThere are too many details in this text that can be disproved easily.
The story that Austrian mares would be set free in this way, and with this reason, is simply complete nonsense. And that they would be taken from the Sarajevo-region (Tito's area) through Croatia (partly Tito, partly German - war zone!) through Austria, Hungary or Slovakia into Czechoslovakia (still under German control in that time, or already occupied by the Russian army) UNSEEN, is completely out of the question. And why into Czechoslovakia ?? (Where is Ach located anyway?)
The hit-and-run action to Hostau to capture the herd was already far beyond the diplomatic edges!
No, there is not one single clue for me in his story what really happened! So Sgt Zieglar's memory was colored by age, I fear.
Nevertheless the question remains: if Sgt. Zieglar really joined a special action with Lipizzaner horses in those times, what did he really witness? Was he somehow involved with the Hostau-action, or did he really had a special mission, who knows? Or was it just a man with a huge imagination?
Even after so many years of research by myself, the Dutch author Frank Westerman (His latest book "Dier Bovendier" - or "Brother Mendel's Perfect Horse" -soon available !! Highly recommended non fiction novel about the history of the Lipizzaner in the 20th century) surprised me recently with some very special details about Hostau and Lipizzaners of count Eltz, which I had never heard or read! So I am still willing to let me be surprised!
But this story of Sgt Zieglar, described as above, can simply not be true. Because of a stream of technical and historical impossibilities.
I asked Mr. Bachinger and he didn't know anything about it. He is director and the oldest rider at the school. He entered the school when Podhajsky still was there. I brought it up because there are some errors in the text and I wanted to have experts look at it. Hope that was ok?
AntwortenLöschenI have a 19 year old son and as wonderful as he is about most things there are other times when I wonder what he has between his ears. So my point here is, given that this happened so long ago when he was 19 and he retold the story nearly 60 years later, all the historical details and inaccuracies aside, is there a chance that this could have happened?
AntwortenLöschenI feel that we need to handle this story very carefully from now on. Carl Zieglar is 85 years old and has probably been telling people this story his entire life. Having an 84 year old mother, I know that even the smallest thing can cause her great stress and pain. I am sure that it would be heartbreaking for him to now be told that he has not been telling the truth. I spoke with his son yesterday and he gave no indication that his father could be telling nothing more than a story. He was very supportive of us doing an interview with him.
AntwortenLöschen"Innocent until proven guilty" It seems to me that you have already judged the old man; it's a bit early for that, don't you think?
AntwortenLöschenWhy do you assume that Ziegler made the story up, but do not take into account possibility that there might be some misunderstanding, eg. he might use a statement like "let the horses go" which might be understood as "let the horses loose".
Yes, he might have "coloured" the story, but he might not be the only one "adding colours". Teenagers are quite imaginative, and this article was written by a teenager with literary skills. The article is interesting for a reader, dramatic... a James Bond type story.
That really is a tricky and delicate matter. The old man can die and the author can feel offended and start a lawsuit, none of these options is welcome.
Anyway, is the story true or "coloured" I think that a book based on this story might be a bestseller.
Oh yes!
AntwortenLöschenSandi, I don't doubt the facts, they are convincing for me.
AntwortenLöschen"tricky an delicate" because of what womaninshoe wrote just before my reply
"lawsuit" yes, ridiculous, but ridiculous things happen all the time
Agreee about the considerations needed as I believe those should always be taken into account, disregarding sex, color, nationality or age.
AntwortenLöschenSURE! But not in the way as he described it. That is why I wrote earlier: "Nevertheless the question remains: if Sgt. Zieglar really joined a special action with Lipizzaner horses in those times, what did he really witness?"
AntwortenLöschenImagine how Europe was look like in those days in the Spring of 1945 !! And if you did, imagine that it was at least twice as chaotic as you imagined! And in this chaos everybody, on every side of the combat, tried to achieve the best they thought was right. And some of them even took care of horses in this chaos.(Fortunately...). During the decades of my research for the history of the Lipizzaner breed, I found remarkable stories and facts, never written down before ! So why not add another one ?
So I am willing to believe that this young soldier really experienced an unique assignment with horses, somehow. Perhaps even not knowing at that specific moment where exactly he was, what kind of horses it were, and with what goal he should fulfill his mission. (In those times people were not only bothering about Lipizzaners, but also about other valuable horse breeds, like Arabs, Trakehner, etcetera).
So for me there is good chance our young soldier from the USA did have his very special assignment, which he achieved and of which he should be justly proud of. And tell his grandchildren about it ;-)
But.... due to these confusing circumstances, definitely for a only 19-year old soldier from the USA, being dropped in chaotic Europe, it looks like as if his experiences are a bit colored by the Walt Disney-movie about Hostau later on ! Nothing wrong with that! Just be aware of the fact that at least half of all memoirs in the world are colored by experiences in a later period of life!
At this moment we can only state that based on the issued text, the story of this young sergeant can not have taken place. In the way as described.
So I repeat my earlier line: who knows what he has experienced ?? Probably something really smashing! And during the decades it became even more smashing, apparently ;-)
I do not agree with that, Osia. Myself, I even tried to defend him, explaining circumstances.
AntwortenLöschenThe answer to the main question: "Can this story be true as described in this text?", remains a "no". Due to technical and historical facts.
Somehow, somewhere: yes! See my earlier comment: in those days of Spring 1945 also the unthinkable happened.
AntwortenLöschenAt that specific moment, our soldier may not have been aware what and why he was doing and where exactly he was. He was ordered to pick up some escaped grey horses, found them, and brought them back under difficult circumstances. Assignment achieved. Something to be proud of, to tell your grandchildren about. Simple.
Perhaps later on he heard about the Lipizzaner evacuation from Hostau, and combined his experience with that story. And the longer times goes along, you are willing to believe your own adjusted memory. Definitely when you told the romantic version in your own surrounding several times. "Grandpa! Tell us that story of WWII and those grays again! " :-))))))
Nothing wrong with this, it happens everywhere.
And now this personal memory reached the d*mned press and even internet...
If you know the Walt Disney-movie very well, you might remember the last scenes, when the SRS returned in Vienna. In the audience the railway station employee, ánd the train driver proudly tell their grandchildren: "Without me the SRS wouldn't be here". And both were right !!!
But who knows which "true" stories they told their grandchildren under the Christmas tree about their heroic actions ?
Who cares? Grandpa was a hero! Fortunately for them their "true" stories were not published. :-)
Poor Sgt. Zieglar and his rescue of grey horses somewhere in chaotic Europe of Spring 1945.... Nobody will ever know what really happened. But I hope he will be able to tell HIS story to HIS grandchildren under HIS Christmas tree for many years from now :-)))
Now the cold facts from scientific historical Lipizzaner perspective:
AntwortenLöschenI have seen and mostly copied all studbook documents of all known Lipizzaner state and large private studfarms in Europe in the 20th century. I know the population before 1939 and after 1945. And I can trace most of the breeding stock which was brought by the Germans to Hostau, and what happened with them afterwards.
Remarkable things happened, I can assure you. And some of the official historiography and documents do not correspond to the appearance of a horse X in a totally different surrounding than officially described.
But as I earlier remarked: in the story of Sgt.Zieglar there is for me not one single clue, which could lead me to a specific incident within this chaotic period of the history of the Lipizzaner breed, which might fit to (temporary) disappearance and return of horses.
The only fact that I was considering: the Germans also took some Lipizzaners from Hostau into the Polish territory (Silezia), to a studfarm called Dembina. As far as my information leads, these were brought back to Hostau by the Germans in the autumn of 1944. But if some would have remained after all, I could imagine that a special action (behind the Russian frontier into Poland) could have taken place to bring them back into Czechoslovakia. This might fit to Sgt. Zieglar's story somehow, but not within the time frame of 5 days.
I can only assure you that no mares escaped or were set free by the Austrians in those times. So it definitely did not concern mares directly from Piber.
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