Andreas asked me to post my questions on here as well as the Facebook page :)
I'm currently working on my mare's pedigree. I'm back to 1855, but as I delve into the mysteries of pedigree-ness, lots of "short hand" rears its ugly head. I'd like to know what some of this stuff means. These particular questions are all place of birth. Please note that the pedigrees are taken from a North American registry and I have no clue if the shorthand is the same as used in the Euro studs.
1) 14 Blanca, DOB 1914, E. What and where is "E."?
2) Conversano Primula, DOB 1931, Schl. Eltz. What and where is "Schl. Eltz."?
3) Primula, DOB 1924, Eltz. Same as above, although I am sure that they are related places
One more question, non place-related: my mare is of the Delforata line. Her dam, Canissa-10, is one of only two Delforata mares imported to the USA. Currently there are three from Canissa-10 in the USA (unless she has other fillies that are not registered) and that's it for the Delforata. This mare is 21 now and will probably not be bred again. Is this mare family common in Euro?
Eileen
Hmm...I have two Deflorata mares here, Pandora and Capria. Pandora has a daughter, Piadora, who is still of breeding age. Not sure if she'll be bred however. (The other two mare lines here are Eljen-Odaliska and Djebrin.)
AntwortenLöschenEltz refers to stud farm of count Eltz & family which was one of the major private stud farms in Croatia, located in Grabovo near Vukovar. It does not exist any longer.
AntwortenLöschenAs Sandi already explained: E. stands for Count Eltz in Vukovar (a city on the borders of the Danube in the east of Croatia. On the opposite side of the Danube starts Serbia).
AntwortenLöschenThe noble family of Eltz had a private stud, in which they bred several races for their own usage, spread over two locations, on the estate outside the city. They were especially famous for their Nonius and Lipizzaner breed, which was of high quality. They bred some Arabian and Thoroughbred as well. The breed of Lipizzaners started around 1850.
The horsebreeding activities of the Eltz-family had to stop in 1945. Most of the Lipizzaner breeding stock went to Piber. Most of the Nonius went to the military stud Karadjordjevo.
Eltz was already explained now. "Schl." stands for "Schimmel" = grey
AntwortenLöschenYes, although it is definitely not the largest maternal family, the classical marefamily "Deflorata" (Frederiksborg, 1767) still appears in the breeding stock of the European state studs of Lipica (SLO), Piber (A), Topolcianky (SK), Monterotondo (IT), Lipik (CRO), Vucijak (B-H) and Karadjordjevo (SRB). And beside this, of course, among several private breeders in Europe.
AntwortenLöschenThis family is the best represented in Lipica and Topolcianky.
Common female names in this family are: Canissa, Capriola, Cattinara, Calma, Capra, Caprietta, Amabila, Lipica, Kremica.
(NOTE: the name Capriola also appears in the classical marefamily "Capriola" (Kladrub, 1785), which is a different family! (only appearing in Piber) - Beware of confusion!)
Again excellent Atjan!
AntwortenLöschenWhat's that, Facebook ?? ;-)
AntwortenLöschenA votre service, Monsieur ;-P
AntwortenLöschenThis is what Lisa has, Judy:
AntwortenLöschen1990 Piber Canissa-10 5 86 Neapolitano Brezova 6 Pievana AtjanH 3 FMLDs born in last 20 years
And after going through the LANA cd, I noted many more Deflorata mares of breeding age that should still be in the USA. I'll send a note to Lisa. Maybe I'm not reading this correctly or they've been missed for some reason.
"Grey Eltz"? It's with "Place of Birth". Someone else said it probably stood for schloss. I have it as "Schl. Piber" as well.
AntwortenLöschenThank you for all your clarifications, Atjan. It was thought that my mare was only one of three of breeding age in the USA, but apparently there are more that aren't on the list. As posted, Judy has two, herself. That's good, 'cause I've gotten a little pressure from a couple of people to breed her and I'm not at the point where I want to.
AntwortenLöschenAnd, as an aside, I have no idea why I kept typing "Delforata" instead of "Deflorata". Doh :)
AntwortenLöschenNo, no doubts: "schl." indicates the color of that specific horse: schl. means schimmel, which is grey.
AntwortenLöschenThis is a normal notification on the ancient, handwritten Piber pedigrees. First the name of the horse (Conversano Primula in this case), followed by the POB (Eltz) and YOB (1931), and at the end the color of his robe: (schl.)
That other horse, which you mention was also a grey (schl.) but born in Piber.
Why am I mentioned in this line ?? ;-))
AntwortenLöschenIt's in her spreadsheet that way and I guess because you supplied that information to Lisa :)
AntwortenLöschenhttp://www.stcloudranch.com/files/Download/H04%20Mare%20Influence.pdf
Ah! You copied the whole line! I was afraid that I was registered in a Lipizzaner studbook, somewhere ;-)) Not bad company though. LOL.
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