Thank you for sharing! Here is a picture of Karl Mikolka performing levade on Siglavy Roxanna, in case you don't have this one. There are other pictures of this stallion, and also Pluto Bonita (Brownie and Blackie) on his website.
just out of interest - Conversano Arva has Arabian Fading Syndrome ... hence the white 'splotches' that incidentally change all the time. He also has some on his body.
What a fabulous collection of photos! I've seen numerous pictures of chestnuts although there may only be one here in the US. Loved the photo of Pluto Lina from 1913 -- where was he bred?
In my time, the official rule was: the greys are preferred, but all varieties were allowed. That is to say, if genetically possible and explainable, of course
Piebolds definitely died out. Black, bay and brown simply appear regularly. Chestnuts are very rare, and only existing in Romanian families. Dunn is extremely rare, and only remained in the classical lines of Topolcianky (SK).
Well... to be honest... this is the only grey horse in the collection. But because these extreme spots, I thought it was an interesting picture within this series.
I do not know the terms in English, but it is an extreme "Forellenschimmel", with those specific blooded spots as well. (Just as f.e. "Favory Alea I" in the SRS had, but then with a black basic color)
According to the (German) source, It was during a tour somewhere in Germany, before WW2.
The strange thing is, that it was dated 1932. But there was no tour in that year. If we look at the historical list of SRS-Tours, it could have been Berlin (1925) or Aachen (1927). And the next tour in Germany was 1939. So this picture is a sort of question mark.
It is a picture of the German "Bundesarchiv", with the title "Wien.- Spanische Reitschule, Reiter auf einem Pferd"
However, a second picture of this series at the same unknown location and the same horse/rider, was dated September 1930 !
With the following text: "Die weltberühmte Spanische Hofreitschule zu Wien will demnächst in Deutschland gastieren! Morgenarbeit der weltberühmten Wiener spanischen Reitschule, dessen Leistungen bisher unerreicht sind."
As far as I know it concerns OB Neumayr, who was in duty between 1917 - 1945.
Of present stallions in the SRS? That is something I should investigate in the original studbooks. I do not have this data immediately available! The last piebalds were bred in the 19th century.
The English piebald crossbred `Dolly´ came in Lippiza in 1835. She disposed her robe. All piebald horses, which were used in the harness for Empress Elisabeth in the 2nd half of the 19th century were descending from her. As far as I know by head, also all other piebalds in the 19th century.
In the (more colorful) 18th century we have data as far as the studbooks reach. There are not many piebalds in this period either! The background of this color in the baroque period is not always known, as the origin of the horses is not always defined.
Thank you for sharing! Here is a picture of Karl Mikolka performing levade on Siglavy Roxanna, in case you don't have this one. There are other pictures of this stallion, and also Pluto Bonita (Brownie and Blackie) on his website.
AntwortenLöschenwhat a beautiful boy he is !
AntwortenLöschenThank you Atjan! Gorgeous colors, handsome Lips!
AntwortenLöschenI love the greys as an ensemble, but I've also always loved the painting with the palomino. Who is the artist?
AntwortenLöschenThe artist is George Hamilton
AntwortenLöschenM. Rubina is magnificent!!! I have never before seen a chestnut Lipizzaner. Where is he and who are his parents?
AntwortenLöschenHe is privately bred in Hungary by Mr. Lajos Sebestyén. His pedigree however bears mainly Romanian-lines (Sambata de Jos). This explains his robe.
AntwortenLöschenHe is owned by the present General-Secretary of the LIF (Lipizzan International Federation), Mr. Christian Manz in Austria.
He is really a very special horse!
just out of interest - Conversano Arva has Arabian Fading Syndrome ... hence the white 'splotches' that incidentally change all the time. He also has some on his body.
AntwortenLöschenWhat a fabulous collection of photos! I've seen numerous pictures of chestnuts although there may only be one here in the US. Loved the photo of Pluto Lina from 1913 -- where was he bred?
AntwortenLöschenHad C. Bonavia in my clinic in La Roque d'Antheron. He is a very good horse!
AntwortenLöschenWhere's he from?
AntwortenLöschenIs he an approved breeding stallion? What's the opinion of the LIF on colored horses to breed with?
AntwortenLöschenWhere from?
AntwortenLöschenWhat's the color genetically called?
AntwortenLöschenIn the former imperial court stud of Lippiza (1580-1915), the cradle of the Lipizzaner breed.
AntwortenLöschenHe is located in Conversano, Italy at this moment. Due to his nickname ("vranac") I assume he is their stallion from Djakovo (Croatia).
AntwortenLöschenHungary, privately bred. (and for sale at this moment)
AntwortenLöschenIn my time, the official rule was: the greys are preferred, but all varieties were allowed. That is to say, if genetically possible and explainable, of course
AntwortenLöschenPiebolds definitely died out. Black, bay and brown simply appear regularly. Chestnuts are very rare, and only existing in Romanian families. Dunn is extremely rare, and only remained in the classical lines of Topolcianky (SK).
Hungary, privately bred.
AntwortenLöschen(And for sale at this moment)
Well... to be honest... this is the only grey horse in the collection. But because these extreme spots, I thought it was an interesting picture within this series.
AntwortenLöschenI do not know the terms in English, but it is an extreme "Forellenschimmel", with those specific blooded spots as well. (Just as f.e. "Favory Alea I" in the SRS had, but then with a black basic color)
Is this photo made at the SRS Atjan?
AntwortenLöschenAtjan, do you know where this photo was done?
AntwortenLöschenNo, in the imperial stables in Vienna (die kaiserliche Hofstallungen). Nowadays the "MuseumsQuartier"
AntwortenLöschenAccording to the (German) source, It was during a tour somewhere in Germany, before WW2.
AntwortenLöschenThe strange thing is, that it was dated 1932. But there was no tour in that year. If we look at the historical list of SRS-Tours, it could have been Berlin (1925) or Aachen (1927). And the next tour in Germany was 1939. So this picture is a sort of question mark.
It is a picture of the German "Bundesarchiv", with the title "Wien.- Spanische Reitschule, Reiter auf einem Pferd"
However, a second picture of this series at the same unknown location and the same horse/rider, was dated September 1930 !
With the following text:
"Die weltberühmte Spanische Hofreitschule zu Wien will demnächst in Deutschland gastieren! Morgenarbeit der weltberühmten Wiener spanischen Reitschule, dessen Leistungen bisher unerreicht sind."
As far as I know it concerns OB Neumayr, who was in duty between 1917 - 1945.
Was the stallion Lipp also a piebald?
AntwortenLöschenNo, in the Lipp-dynasty there were no piebalds.
AntwortenLöschenSo which lines or families were piebalds?
AntwortenLöschenIn other words: Which of the stallions at the SRS has piebald ancestors?
AntwortenLöschenOf present stallions in the SRS? That is something I should investigate in the original studbooks. I do not have this data immediately available! The last piebalds were bred in the 19th century.
AntwortenLöschenThe English piebald crossbred `Dolly´ came in Lippiza in 1835. She disposed her robe. All piebald horses, which were used in the harness for Empress Elisabeth in the 2nd half of the 19th century were descending from her. As far as I know by head, also all other piebalds in the 19th century.
In the (more colorful) 18th century we have data as far as the studbooks reach. There are not many piebalds in this period either! The background of this color in the baroque period is not always known, as the origin of the horses is not always defined.
Who owns that stallion?
AntwortenLöschenScroll down to nearly half of the document. There's a photo of the stallion Nymphensittich, a son of Pluto Lina.
AntwortenLöschenhttp://zfmk.de/BZB/1982/1982%20Lehmann%20v.E.%20p237%20orginal.pdf
Pluto Lina was born 1913 in Lipica
AntwortenLöschenhis dam Lina was half trotter born 1899 in Lipica
Lina was a descendent to the english halfblood mare Dolly, born 1835, to whom they breed in Lipica
the stallion Pluto Lina was later sold to Paul Lehmann in Germany where he founded the piebald herd