Someone on Facebook (American Friends of the Spanish Riding School Group) mentioned that 12 jumps is the school's Courbette "record." Can anyone confirm that? It's AMAZING that a horse can be that strong and balanced!
I would think good jumps 6 would be an amazing amount for a stallion to do. 12 seems a bit exaggerated if not impossible done correctly. Perhaps what they were refering to is the walking movement done by other schools.
Hey, Romy :D It was me that asked about the 12 jumps. I don't know where I read it, but it was at the back of my mind that one stallion, way back, was able to do 12 consecutive jumps.
And yes, I would agree that 6 jumps is amazing. I just want to know if that old "memory" of mine is correct or no.
Are courbette horses rare? There are a group of us Lipizzaner owner/breeders on Facebook and we were talking about the airs our kids offer us and it seems that levade and capriole are very commonplace, but the courbette is not.
In his book Horses are made to be Horses former Bereiter Franz Mairinger relates that one of his stallions had a record of fourteen leaps on his hind legs in courbette, and on average the stallion jumped four to eight times. He was a big horse of 16.2 hands. Mairinger wrote, "He went up higher than some stallions, and that's why he could maintain his balance longer."
I have seen Madar do six leaps - and I didn't imagine anyone could go up higher than him!
Da ist es wieder, das "höher-weiter-schneller", das geht ganz schön an den Verschleiss, solche Übungen. Also: Maß halten, 3-4 gute Sprünge reichen doch bei dieser schwierigen Schule.
Bei solchen Beinen wie bei "roanart" könnte man das ganze auch ausweiten......
A stallion of the Royal Andalusian School of Equitation in Jerez/Spain can do more than 20 leaps. But at the end... it is not more than a circus-act, almost walking like the Menorquin in order to stay "balanced" Very spectacular, but it has nothing to do with the classical exercise !
I even prefer the Portuguese classical variety of the Courbette: 2 powerful but elegant jumps on the hind legs- landing on 4 legs-followed by again 2 powerful jumps etcetera. But ok, that is a matter of taste, I guess ;-)
But ok.... if all can be achieved: both Quality and Quantity.... you will make me smile too!
Did anybody see the courbettes former First Chief Rider Lauscha, with his brown Siglavy Flora?? 65 years and 25 years old...? ;-)
Atjan wrote "Did anybody see the courbettes former First Chief Rider Lauscha, with his brown Siglavy Flora?? 65 years and 25 years old...? ;-)"
Yes! I saw them in New York when the School was touring the USA in the 1980's. I don't know how old they were at the time but Lauscha was First Chief Rider and he showed Courbette with S. Flora.
Freddy Knie and Gruss have let horses do the Courbette over Cavaletti. Roanart, I think, if horses would have legs like in your picture there would be no end to do Courbettes......
Time to think about, why at all should a horse jump like this......a long time ago somebody had the idea to begin to fly with horses, because pegasus was dead.....? To have advantages in war I never believe, because only a few horses are able to jump like that.....
Heh, Guiseppe -- when Lipizzaners get all silly and do "airs" on their own, we call them "boingities" and say that they move as though they are on springs. That's where the cartoon I drew came from :)
Okay, I remember where I read about the 12 jumps. . . no laughing!
There was a children's book written by Marguerite Henry, "White Stallion of Lipizza". It is a work of fiction, but the stallion in the book is Maestoso Borina, who was, indeed, a courbette star of the SRS. In the book M. Borina does 12 jumps. Is this true?
Once the ridingschool in Lipica had a gelding (he was too difficult to remain stallion..) who jumped the courbette (the only thing he could do... to be honest...). There was only one rider to find who had the courage to ride him... ;-)
His record was 16 leaps, straight, upright, forward and balanced. I saw him doing 12 leaps. Brilliant performance, but a sad horse...
Unfortunately I can not remember the name of the horse. But I still can "see" him in my visual memory. He was rather small. He was gelded, and sold. But because he was unwieldy and overstressed, he returned to Lipica.
Iztok (perhaps in cooperation with Alojz) made a courbetteur out of him.
Who was the stallion that did the Courbette under saddle on the most recent tour of the US? He had kind of a "fuzzy" mane. I really enjoyed watching him.
Alojz, der Pferdeschinder......kam aus dem Wald vor dem Intern.Turnier in Lipica, die Striemen auf der Kruppe sprachen Bände. Einmal wollte ein Hengst ihn an der Wand zerdrücken, er wurde gerade noch gerettet, bis ein Lipizzaner das macht, da muß schon "etwas" gewesen sein.
I believe it was in a book from Podhajsky where he wrote that classical Courbette consists of 3 to 5 leaps. I do agree it is too difficult to go much further... If those few leaps are nice and powerfull and balanced (with beautifully carried front legs - high and collected, not leaving them down or "driving bicycle" with them), there is no need for more. Those who want more, should consider visiting a circus, not a performance of classical haute ecole.
I saw Hans Riegler with N. Madar do six good, forward, consecutive jumps about four years ago.....
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AntwortenLöschenI would think good jumps 6 would be an amazing amount for a stallion to do. 12 seems a bit exaggerated if not impossible done correctly. Perhaps what they were refering to is the walking movement done by other schools.
Romy
Hey, Romy :D It was me that asked about the 12 jumps. I don't know where I read it, but it was at the back of my mind that one stallion, way back, was able to do 12 consecutive jumps.
AntwortenLöschenAnd yes, I would agree that 6 jumps is amazing. I just want to know if that old "memory" of mine is correct or no.
Speaking of which . . .
AntwortenLöschenAre courbette horses rare? There are a group of us Lipizzaner owner/breeders on Facebook and we were talking about the airs our kids offer us and it seems that levade and capriole are very commonplace, but the courbette is not.
How is it found?
In his book Horses are made to be Horses former Bereiter Franz Mairinger relates that one of his stallions had a record of fourteen leaps on his hind legs in courbette, and on average the stallion jumped four to eight times. He was a big horse of 16.2 hands. Mairinger wrote, "He went up higher than some stallions, and that's why he could maintain his balance longer."
AntwortenLöschenI have seen Madar do six leaps - and I didn't imagine anyone could go up higher than him!
Da ist es wieder, das "höher-weiter-schneller", das geht ganz schön an den Verschleiss, solche Übungen. Also: Maß halten, 3-4 gute Sprünge reichen doch bei dieser schwierigen
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Bei solchen Beinen wie bei "roanart" könnte man das ganze auch ausweiten......
Paeroa, I thought I saw Madar do that at the Schoenbrunn.....
AntwortenLöschenAgain I agree with Guiseppe/Maskenball... {well related to this subject then: ;-) }
AntwortenLöschenQuality above Quantity! Balance & Strength above spectacular, but sidewards jumps.
A stallion of the Royal Andalusian School of Equitation in Jerez/Spain can do more than 20 leaps. But at the end... it is not more than a circus-act, almost walking like the Menorquin in order to stay "balanced" Very spectacular, but it has nothing to do with the classical exercise !
I even prefer the Portuguese classical variety of the Courbette: 2 powerful but elegant jumps on the hind legs- landing on 4 legs-followed by again 2 powerful jumps etcetera. But ok, that is a matter of taste, I guess ;-)
But ok.... if all can be achieved: both Quality and Quantity.... you will make me smile too!
Did anybody see the courbettes former First Chief Rider Lauscha, with his brown Siglavy Flora?? 65 years and 25 years old...? ;-)
Atjan -- could you maybe translate the rest of his post? I'm afraid I'm only conversant in English. Some French, not much, though.
AntwortenLöschenAtjan wrote "Did anybody see the courbettes former First Chief Rider Lauscha, with his brown Siglavy Flora?? 65 years and 25 years old...? ;-)"
AntwortenLöschenYes! I saw them in New York when the School was touring the USA in the 1980's. I don't know how old they were at the time but Lauscha was First Chief Rider and he showed Courbette with S. Flora.
Freddy Knie and Gruss have let horses do the Courbette over Cavaletti.
AntwortenLöschenRoanart, I think, if horses would have legs like in your picture there would be no end to do Courbettes......
Time to think about, why at all should a horse jump like this......a long time ago somebody had the idea to begin to fly with horses, because pegasus was dead.....?
AntwortenLöschenTo have advantages in war I never believe, because only a few horses are able
to jump like that.....
Heh, Guiseppe -- when Lipizzaners get all silly and do "airs" on their own, we call them "boingities" and say that they move as though they are on springs. That's where the cartoon I drew came from :)
AntwortenLöschenOkay, I remember where I read about the 12 jumps. . . no laughing!
AntwortenLöschenThere was a children's book written by Marguerite Henry, "White Stallion of Lipizza". It is a work of fiction, but the stallion in the book is Maestoso Borina, who was, indeed, a courbette star of the SRS. In the book M. Borina does 12 jumps. Is this true?
Once the ridingschool in Lipica had a gelding (he was too difficult to remain stallion..) who jumped the courbette (the only thing he could do... to be honest...). There was only one rider to find who had the courage to ride him... ;-)
AntwortenLöschenHis record was 16 leaps, straight, upright, forward and balanced. I saw him doing 12 leaps. Brilliant performance, but a sad horse...
Do you remember his name? Have you once seen "Bona"?
AntwortenLöschenUnfortunately I can not remember the name of the horse. But I still can "see" him in my visual memory. He was rather small. He was gelded, and sold. But because he was unwieldy and overstressed, he returned to Lipica.
AntwortenLöschenIztok (perhaps in cooperation with Alojz) made a courbetteur out of him.
Who was the stallion that did the Courbette under saddle on the most recent tour of the US? He had kind of a "fuzzy" mane. I really enjoyed watching him.
AntwortenLöschenAlojz, der Pferdeschinder......kam aus dem Wald vor dem Intern.Turnier in Lipica, die Striemen auf der Kruppe sprachen Bände. Einmal wollte ein Hengst ihn an der Wand
AntwortenLöschenzerdrücken, er wurde gerade noch gerettet, bis ein Lipizzaner das macht, da muß schon
"etwas" gewesen sein.
Knowing Alojz and Iztok, I'd dare to confirm Atjan's assumption of Alojz helping Iztok with that horse. I can ask Iztok about it at occasion.
AntwortenLöschenI believe it was in a book from Podhajsky where he wrote that classical Courbette consists of 3 to 5 leaps. I do agree it is too difficult to go much further... If those few leaps are nice and powerfull and balanced (with beautifully carried front legs - high and collected, not leaving them down or "driving bicycle" with them), there is no need for more. Those who want more, should consider visiting a circus, not a performance of classical haute ecole.
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