"The Lucky Foal of Piber"Yesterday the Austrian national television ORF visited the Federal Stud of Piber, on the occasion of the birth of a very special Lipizzaner foal: a black filly
See the message:
http://steiermark.orf.at/magazin/immergutdrauf/bewusstleben/stories/497991/
And see the broadcast:
http://tvthek.orf.at/programs/70020-Steiermark-heute/episodes/1924029-Steiermark-heute/1926049-Bei-Tier-daheim--Lipizzanerfohlen
"Only 1 out of 100 foals remains black"
Stud manager Dr.Max Dobretsberger:
"The foal has a perfect frame, beautiful lines, long legs, and a fabulous charisma. So: much nobility for which the Lipizzaner of Piber are famous of.
Sire of this foal is the bay Pluto Bellornata.
Dam is 42 Beja (s. Siglavy Dagmar) - grandchild of the Topolcianky-mare 84 Mora
Thank you for sharing, I really enjoyed watching the movie. I just love the black ones, they are so special! A very nice and curious looking one too, this new born.
AntwortenLöschenOh, very beautiful! Good luck to the little Pluto Beja!
AntwortenLöschenNo Marie-Françoise, fillies get their names fom their mare-families. Her mum is from the Sardinia family, so you have to go back to the sixth to the eighth generation (maternal line) and choose a name from there. That's why each mare-family has typical names.
AntwortenLöschenSorry Andreas, of course I was aware of the names..., but as you know I sometimes go too fast and my english drops in that case... I read it was a male!!! excuse the Poor Old Mum I am!!! :)))
AntwortenLöschenThe fillies don't get there names until they are a few months old, right? Why do they wait so long to name them?
AntwortenLöschenShe's gorgeous, and looks just like her dear old dad!
AntwortenLöschenThe policy in Piber is, that the same name is not used for 2 mares in the studfarm in the same time. (In stead of Lipica and Djakovo: there every filly receives the name of the dam, followed by the next Roman numeral in order).
AntwortenLöschenIn several maternal families there are not very many traditional names available,. Therefore the stud secretary waits for the end of the season, when all foals are born, to provide their definite name. In the first 6 months of the year, other older mares may be sold and leave Piber. Their names are then available again for the the fillies of that year.
When the fillies are separated from their moms in the Autumn, they enter their new home, the young mare stable ('Reintalerhof'), with their official name. The nicknames of their first 6 months of life will be forgotten, 'real' life begins with a different stable manager on the slopes of the 'Reintalerhof'
Think this one could be destined for the SRS? Would they accept a black?
AntwortenLöschenYes, but not a mare !!!
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Oh its a girl...sorry I forgot...I need to stop getting up at 3am.....
AntwortenLöschenThank so much for sharing, Atjanh. She is adorable!!
AntwortenLöschenoh ho ! Bellornata's little girl ! At last, my fave Hofburg bay gets to spread his genes. Paeroa is right, she is gorgeous little filly.
AntwortenLöschenYes, she is definitely a fine filly. And it's too bad that she shows no interest in the world around her or the other creatures in it! ;-) I'm joking - she seemed very curious and brave for one so young...
AntwortenLöschenBut, how can they be sure that she will not turn gray? Many foals are born dark brown or black and turn white/gray later. Our Cordova was as black as night until she was 4 and then she started to turn grey. Now, she looks white from a distance but is Forellenschimmel(sounds so much nicer than fleasbitten!) when you look closely.
John
I was wondering the same thing. How can they tell?
AntwortenLöschenTo be honest.... I was thinking the same. ;-))) Scientifically they can though, by testing the genetics. But I do not know if they really did with this foal.
AntwortenLöschenNevertheless.... a bet is already going on, that it is a gray after all. ;-)
Atjan, you mention Beja's sire - could you tell us who was Pluto Bellornata's sire?
AntwortenLöschen488 Pluto Dubovina (Piber, 1987)
AntwortenLöschenAnd his sire was 370 Pluto VIII Roviga (Piber, 1972)
Oh, are there genetic tests for color now?
AntwortenLöschenWhen I learned about the genetics of coat color, the knowledge was mostly inferred and deduced. The only "testing" for homozygosity at that time was breeding a gray to non-grays and breeding a brown/black horse to a chestnut. This had to be done at least 5 times and produce all grays or all blacks to have a good chance that the horse was homozygous for their coat color.
Of course, all grays have at least one gray coat color gene. So, since she is gray herself, the dam of this filly will produce at least 50% grays even if she carries the non-gray coat color gene on the other half of the gene pair... So, unless they know the mare has a non-gray gene and have done some testing of the filly, I'd bet she is a gray...
Yes. See f.e. the VHL Genetic Laboratory (derived from the Agricultural University Wageningen -NL), which is the standard institution for genetic testing for all Dutch studbooks:
AntwortenLöschenhttp://www.vhlgenetics.com/vhl/webtable.php?dsrt=paard
Thank you for that! I am trying to recall if ever I saw Pluto Dubovina - I think he was before my time.
AntwortenLöschenP.Dubovina was trained by Hans Riegler. As far as I know he was sold by Dr. Oulehla before the stallion ever reached the performance. (I thought to Germany, but I am not sure)
AntwortenLöschenYes, he went to Munich to Dr. Kämmerer, a good friend of mine.
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