Andreas, I just cannot resist this, How is his Courbette, Levade and Capriole? I bet they are pretty nice. But the Passage and between the Pillars might still need some work.......
I just could not resist. To bad you could not get a small saddle and teach him, BUT then I know it would look like a circus.
I believe you are correct. I looked up the name and card number lip81 is a match to this only taken after a change in stride. Same background in both photos. You don't see that very often.
This black and white foto was taken August 18, 2009.
I don't know when your pic of First Chief Rider Kottas and Chief Rider Eder was taken, but maybe when Hausi is back home, he can give us a date for it.
No, this is not Colonel Hazslinszky. He isn't another known external student of the SRS either, which mostly were military officers in those times. This man was apparently a civilian. Due to the protocol, military riders were always supposed to wear their uniform.
I have seen another picture of this rider before, but I do not have the faintest idea either who he may be. The picture must be taken somewhere in the '20-ies or begin '30-ies.
There is one clue though: in those times there was a civil riding school in Vienna. I once saw a vague picture of the director, who was trained in the SRS. There are some similarities with the man on this picture!
My suggestion to Andreas: across the entrance of the SRS under the Michaelerkuppel, the "Dokumentationszentrum für altösterreichische Pferderassen" has its office (Batthyanystiege). The vice president of this society is Mr. Hans Brabenetz, a very famous Austrian hippologist. Please show him this picture! He might know who this rider is!
Thank you Atjanh for all your help. I have one more photo coming. Is there someone I can write at Lipica who might remember the name of the Stallion. I tried the URL from Romy and all of them bounced.
Thank you Atjanh for all your help. I have one more photo coming. Is there someone I can write at Lipica who might remember the name of the Stallion. I tried the URL from Romy and all of them bounced.
left horse under Igor Maver is (i think) Favory Canissa XXII, now property of her Majesty the Queen Elisabeth II, but the horse is still in Lipica. Igor was competing at WEG 2006 with this horse.
Romy said "Yes, you can tell by the stripe on his bicorne. C.Isabella is the horse he qualified for Rider on."
Correct. My wife and I saw Asst Rider Hausberger and C. Isabella perform one of there very first Quadrilles together on September 23 1992 - a Wednesday evening performance. Herr H. was promoted to Rider soon after that. We returned to Vienna in 1997 and by then Rider Hausberger and Isabella were already performing the Long Rein solo. It is no exaggeration to say that Isabella was great. The first time we saw him do the long rein solo... I have no adequate words to describe it! He was supple (very difficult on long reins!), did beautiful pirouettes - the first time I saw double canter pirouettes on the long rein - remarkable piaffe and passage. Afterwards, I wrote a letter to Dr Ouhlela praising Rider Hausberger's work with Isabella. And I had not met Andreas at that time! ;-) I was lucky enough to see them again in 2001 during Morning Training. If I remember correctly, Isabella also did Levade in hand during performances but I don't recall seeing him myself.
General Patton, a host of American officers, and troops of the 328th Regiment, 26th Infantry Division, watch a performance of the Lipizzaner stallions on August 21, 1945. (Photo from National Archives)
These foto's were taken by PFC Frank Wayne Martin, who served in the 328th regiment of the 26th Yankee Division in the Third Army. They are 'backstage' foto's of the performance for Gen Patton. PFC Martin was assigned to guard the riders.
The last and most beautiful carrousel was in 1894, under the direction of Prince Rudolph of Lichtenstein. This represented the arrival in Vienna of Karl IV, with his bride, Elizabeth Christin of Spain.
The first picture of this item (the levade under OB Hubert Eichinger) could be 324 Siglavy V Africa-7. I do not have any further pictures of him in my archive.
For pictures of 358 Neapolitano X Primavera: please visit the website of his last owner, Kirsch-Lipizzaner in Germany, under "In memoriam" (Or ask H&D participant Rorella for more pictures!)
Interesting picture! I'd never seen it before! Lipizzaner piebalds yes, but not this one.
No, Pluto Lina had no progeny. He was not used as a breeding stallion.
The history behind these piebalds within the Lipizzan breed was the habit of Empress Elisabeth ("Sisi") to use piebalds for her carriages. They were specially bred for her in the Imperial studfarm Lippiza. The mare Lina (dam to Pluto Lina) was the very last piebald brood mare in Lippiza.
According to our present breeding rules they would not be considered as purebred Lipizzaner. The piebald variety was brought into the breed by a mare without a known genealogical background, and definitely not Iberian or Arabian. But well..... who are we now..... in those times it was the Emperor who decided it was a "Lippizaner " or not.... ;-)
Mr. Ernest Bachinger I hope I spelled that right. I was writing a lady at Piber and Mr. Bachinger was also there. Now I have heard he is in Vienna, and I cannot reach him. He was very helpful on the older photos.
PFC Martin was assigned to "guard" the riders because technically, at that time, they were "the enemy", associated with the German army. Though I don't think the Americans really felt they were a threat. ;-)
These foto's are the only ones that exist of the back stage scenes. No one was allowed to take foto's except the "official" army photographers. PFC Martin hid his camera under his shirt. Lucky for us!
Time for a new album ;-))
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Sure :-)
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Hubert Eichinger (I guess on ..... Africa, but not sure)
AntwortenLöschenWould that be S. Africa??
AntwortenLöschenTHANKS Andreas!
I guess so, but not 100% sure .......
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AntwortenLöschen:-)))
Who is this wonderful looking, stable cat? house cat? What is the name. We have a cat who looks like this. NEAT!
AntwortenLöschenSo do we! Rodent Control Officer? Fun photo!
AntwortenLöschen:-))
AntwortenLöschenThat's our "High School Cat"! :-)
AntwortenLöschenWho has the original?
AntwortenLöschenAndreas, I just cannot resist this, How is his Courbette, Levade and Capriole? I bet they are pretty nice. But the Passage and between the Pillars might still need some work.......
AntwortenLöschenI just could not resist. To bad you could not get a small saddle and teach him, BUT then I know it would look like a circus.
What is the cat's name?
I call her "Mietze" ;-)
AntwortenLöschenRider Christian Bachinger and Siglavy Mantua I
AntwortenLöschenThat's the aisle where we warm up for the performance!
AntwortenLöschenFront: Rider Christian Bachinger
walking the aisle: Chief Rider Klaus Krzisch
sehr schmal
AntwortenLöschenRomy
There are some people, who think this cat is a reincarnation of a former Oberbereiter ! lol
AntwortenLöschenStill keeping an eye on things :-))
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AntwortenLöschenOberbereiter Ernst Lindenbauer, I think on Conversano Bonavista
Romy
I believe you are correct. I looked up the name and card number lip81 is a match to this only taken after a change in stride. Same background in both photos. You don't see that very often.
AntwortenLöschenThanks
from marcia
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Riegler (right) with Neapolitano Madar (Courbette) and Rider Rostek
AntwortenLöschenFirst Chief Rider Kottas (on the ground) and me riding Siglavy Narenta (All Steps and Movements)
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AntwortenLöschenFrom Marcia
Chief Rider Krzisch and Siglavy Mantua I
AntwortenLöschenadded this one
AntwortenLöschenI my - the riding areana is to die for :-)
AntwortenLöschenSiglavy Narenta and First Chief Rider Kottas-Heldenberg
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AntwortenLöschenFirst Chief Rider Kottas on Favory Plutona (front)
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Eder on Conversano Corvina
Much more recent foto ;-)
AntwortenLöschenAre you referring to the photo above? How old is the one I submitted? THANKS
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
This black and white foto was taken August 18, 2009.
AntwortenLöschenI don't know when your pic of First Chief Rider Kottas and Chief Rider Eder was taken, but maybe when Hausi is back home, he can give us a date for it.
Romy
wall:
AntwortenLöschenRider Christian Bachinger on Neapolitano Pastime, getting help from Ass. Rider Zimmermann I. (on the ground)
front:
Chief Rider Eder on Conversano Corvina
AntwortenLöschenH, do you have any idea when this foto was taken?
Romy
Yes, it was taken when the movie "Majestic White Horses" the IMAX movie was shot!
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AntwortenLöschenI love the stallions lip in this foto!
Romy
Chief Rider Kottas and Favory Alea I
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AntwortenLöschenSehr schönes Bild
Romy
Chief Rider Kottas and Pluto Troja II
AntwortenLöschenP.Troja II has a beautiful face.
AntwortenLöschenMarcia,
AntwortenLöschenWith foto's from this stud, try this url and they may be able to help you even more.
http://www.lipica.org/?vie=cnt&str=43_eng
Romy
added new foto's
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AntwortenLöschenThe real Director of the schule!! ;-))
Romy
AntwortenLöschenThis is a great foto.
2 more foto's added for Marcia
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Conversano Isabella the Great!
AntwortenLöschenBeautiful, isn't it?
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Kottas and Favory Alea I
AntwortenLöschenRider Lippert (I guess)
AntwortenLöschenNo clue, maybe Haszlinsky? Atjan might know the rider!
AntwortenLöschenMagnificent!! And best in the very early morning, no one around and very quiet...like a cathedral
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AntwortenLöschenLove the pink muzzle on the stallion on the left
Romy
This is Lipica's former chief rider Dusan Mavec, with Pluto Canissa IV.
AntwortenLöschenHe competed with this stallion in the international dressage competition in the 80'ies, including the Olympics of Los Angeles, 1984.
No, this is not Colonel Hazslinszky. He isn't another known external student of the SRS either, which mostly were military officers in those times. This man was apparently a civilian. Due to the protocol, military riders were always supposed to wear their uniform.
AntwortenLöschenI have seen another picture of this rider before, but I do not have the faintest idea either who he may be. The picture must be taken somewhere in the '20-ies or begin '30-ies.
There is one clue though: in those times there was a civil riding school in Vienna. I once saw a vague picture of the director, who was trained in the SRS. There are some similarities with the man on this picture!
My suggestion to Andreas: across the entrance of the SRS under the Michaelerkuppel, the "Dokumentationszentrum für altösterreichische Pferderassen" has its office (Batthyanystiege). The vice president of this society is Mr. Hans Brabenetz, a very famous Austrian hippologist. Please show him this picture! He might know who this rider is!
Atjan
see: http://www.pferde-altoesterreich.at/default/?ID=12
Hauptmann von Sekulic? (In those times Director of the former "Wiener Reitinstitut", Barmherzigengasse)
AntwortenLöschenSekulics? Hmmmm....
AntwortenLöschenFrom Marcia
AntwortenLöschenRider Iztok Jelusic from Lipica in a Courbette. (I thought it was a Pluto, but I can not remember his name).
AntwortenLöschenThis combination was quite famous for their courbettes. Their record during a public performance was 16 leaps !!
a few more foto's
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Left chief rider Igor Maver
AntwortenLöschenRight rider Iztok Jelusic (again)
I do not know these horses. They have a lot available in Lipica!
In Arles I think ;-)
AntwortenLöschenWonderful horses there!
AntwortenLöschenThank you Atjanh for all your help. I have one more photo coming. Is there someone I can write at Lipica who might remember the name of the Stallion. I tried the URL from Romy and all of them bounced.
AntwortenLöschenThanks
Marcia
Thank you Atjanh for all your help. I have one more photo coming. Is there someone I can write at Lipica who might remember the name of the Stallion. I tried the URL from Romy and all of them bounced.
AntwortenLöschenThanks
Marcia
for Marcia
AntwortenLöschenRider H.?
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AntwortenLöschena very young H. ;-))
Romy
yeah, VERY young H. :-)
AntwortenLöschenI was just wondering if he was already a Rider then.
AntwortenLöschenYes, you can tell by the stripe on his bicorne. C.Isabella is the horse he qualified for Rider on.
Romy
The rider is a -young- Igor Maver.
AntwortenLöschenI can not remember the name of the stallion, only that I think it was a Favory.
new foto-16.12.2010
AntwortenLöschenYes, at this time I was :-)
AntwortenLöschenYes, First Chief Rider Kottas on Favory Alea I
AntwortenLöschenleft horse under Igor Maver is (i think) Favory Canissa XXII, now property of her Majesty the Queen Elisabeth II, but the horse is still in Lipica. Igor was competing at WEG 2006 with this horse.
AntwortenLöschenAlojz Lah, the Horse's name I do not know.
AntwortenLöschenMiran Mavec, son of Dusan Mavec. Again I don't know the name of the horse.
AntwortenLöschenIgor Maver
AntwortenLöschenKristina Umek and Favory Monteaura XX
AntwortenLöschenKristina Umek and F. Monteaura XX
AntwortenLöschenIztok Jelusic. The horse's name I don't know.
AntwortenLöschenFound it: COnversano Allegra, I believe. The Photo book of Alojz Lah is helpful.
AntwortenLöschenRomy said
AntwortenLöschen"Yes, you can tell by the stripe on his bicorne. C.Isabella is the horse he qualified for Rider on."
Correct. My wife and I saw Asst Rider Hausberger and C. Isabella perform one of there very first Quadrilles together on September 23 1992 - a Wednesday evening performance. Herr H. was promoted to Rider soon after that. We returned to Vienna in 1997 and by then Rider Hausberger and Isabella were already performing the Long Rein solo. It is no exaggeration to say that Isabella was great. The first time we saw him do the long rein solo... I have no adequate words to describe it! He was supple (very difficult on long reins!), did beautiful pirouettes - the first time I saw double canter pirouettes on the long rein - remarkable piaffe and passage. Afterwards, I wrote a letter to Dr Ouhlela praising Rider Hausberger's work with Isabella. And I had not met Andreas at that time! ;-) I was lucky enough to see them again in 2001 during Morning Training. If I remember correctly, Isabella also did Levade in hand during performances but I don't recall seeing him myself.
AntwortenLöschenGeneral Patton, a host of American officers, and troops of the 328th Regiment, 26th Infantry Division, watch a performance of the Lipizzaner stallions on August 21, 1945. (Photo from National Archives)
These foto's were taken by PFC Frank Wayne Martin, who served in the 328th regiment of the 26th Yankee Division in the Third Army. They are 'backstage' foto's of the performance for Gen Patton. PFC Martin was assigned to guard the riders.
AntwortenLöschenRomy!!! Wow!!! You are ....!!! I'm speachless! Where did you find them?
AntwortenLöschenThank you John! :-)))
AntwortenLöschenSome new foto's
AntwortenLöschenRomy
The last and most beautiful carrousel was in 1894, under the direction of Prince Rudolph of Lichtenstein. This represented the arrival in Vienna of Karl IV, with his bride, Elizabeth Christin of Spain.
AntwortenLöschenIs this in Vienna? What's the source of your photos! So interesting Romy!
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Meixner?
AntwortenLöschenYes, it is in Vienna. He was in the carrousel. This is from an article written by Baroness Franckenstein in 1905. Should i send you the article?
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Does any body know why the saddle is more backside, look to the girth ?
AntwortenLöschenCan you post the article here on H&D Romy?
AntwortenLöschenThat's extremely interesting!
Thank you!
okay, I will work on it. After I finish my brandy ;-))
AntwortenLöschenRomy
(slightly buzzed)
From Marcia
AntwortenLöschenIf anyone has pictures of Piber stallions N.Primavera 70 and S.V Africa-7?
AntwortenLöschenThe first picture of this item (the levade under OB Hubert Eichinger) could be 324 Siglavy V Africa-7. I do not have any further pictures of him in my archive.
AntwortenLöschenFor pictures of 358 Neapolitano X Primavera: please visit the website of his last owner, Kirsch-Lipizzaner in Germany, under "In memoriam" (Or ask H&D participant Rorella for more pictures!)
Left: Bereiter Steinriegler
AntwortenLöschenRight: Bereiter Ernst Hoyos
Thanks Atjan!
AntwortenLöschennew foto
AntwortenLöschenSiglavy Barbana
AntwortenLöschenI'm not sure but that is maybe one of the rare photos of Rider Riedler how died on tour in Spain with the SRS in a car accident.
AntwortenLöschenOr is he Bereiter Delafonte?
AntwortenLöschenNot sure if it is Delefond.
AntwortenLöschenNot sure if it is Delefond.
AntwortenLöschenPluto Lina, also called Bajazzo, a Lipizzaner stallion born in 1913. This photo is from the book Pferde aus Licht und Schatten.
AntwortenLöschenAnyone know if he has descendants?
Interesting picture! I'd never seen it before! Lipizzaner piebalds yes, but not this one.
AntwortenLöschenNo, Pluto Lina had no progeny. He was not used as a breeding stallion.
The history behind these piebalds within the Lipizzan breed was the habit of Empress Elisabeth ("Sisi") to use piebalds for her carriages. They were specially bred for her in the Imperial studfarm Lippiza. The mare Lina (dam to Pluto Lina) was the very last piebald brood mare in Lippiza.
According to our present breeding rules they would not be considered as purebred Lipizzaner. The piebald variety was brought into the breed by a mare without a known genealogical background, and definitely not Iberian or Arabian. But well..... who are we now..... in those times it was the Emperor who decided it was a "Lippizaner " or not.... ;-)
Interessting Atjan! I have got pictures from colored Lipizzans though.
AntwortenLöschenSo you have seen photos from piebald Lipizzans Atjan? Tell us more please!
AntwortenLöschenNew foto's added
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Rider Rothleitner (left)
AntwortenLöschenAli Kanyücel (center)
Stablemaster Hamminger (right)
I am alittle late on this one. It is N. Strana foaled in 1949 and Werner Platzer
AntwortenLöschenHow do you know this, Marcia?
AntwortenLöschenRomy
BeforeIjoinedthisgroup
AntwortenLöschenMr. Ernest Bachinger I hope I spelled that right. I was writing a lady at Piber and Mr. Bachinger was also there. Now I have heard he is in Vienna, and I cannot reach him. He was very helpful on the older photos.
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
BeforeIjoinedthisgroup
AntwortenLöschenThank you, Marcia. Herr Ernst Bachinger, is the Leiter der Reitbahn, the Director, of the Spanische Hofreitschule.
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Two new foto's from Marcia. I know the first rider is Ernst Bachinger.
AntwortenLöschenFirst rider on the left is Colonel Handler.
AntwortenLöschenPFC Martin was assigned to "guard" the riders because technically, at that time, they were "the enemy", associated with the German army. Though I don't think the Americans really felt they were a threat. ;-)
AntwortenLöschenThese foto's are the only ones that exist of the back stage scenes. No one was allowed to take foto's except the "official" army photographers. PFC Martin hid his camera under his shirt. Lucky for us!
left to right: Rider Bachinger, Rider Eichinger, Rider Kottas, Rider Rouland
AntwortenLöschenleft to right: Colonel Handler, Rider Tschautscher, Major Helmberger, Chief Rider Lauscha, Rider Rouland
AntwortenLöschenYes, it is Hauptmann Sekulics!
AntwortenLöschenYES ! ;-))
AntwortenLöschen(How did you find out ??)
New foto from Marcia. Needs names horse and rider.
AntwortenLöschenFavory Superba - Chief Rider Rieglers horse, though Riegler is not visible in this photo. The hander here is Assistant Rider Nowotny helping Riegler.
AntwortenLöschenFor Marcia-----Oberbereiter Johann Riegler riding, Marcia would like to know the stallion.
AntwortenLöschenFor Marcia---Sandi, maybe you or Atjan will know horse and rider
AntwortenLöschenRomy
This is Klavdij Maver. The horse's name I unfortunately don't know.
AntwortenLöschenFavory Superba
AntwortenLöschenAs far as I remember Favory Capriola (what's in a name.... ;-)
AntwortenLöschenChicago 1964
AntwortenLöschenChicago-1964
AntwortenLöschen"The vice president of this society is Mr. Hans Brabenetz, a very famous Austrian hippologist."
AntwortenLöschenHan Brabenetz is also leading expert in Shagya Arabians.