The first 9 foto's are from an article published in 1957. It is a very interesting article; if any one would like a copy, pm me with a mailing address.
Yes, Romy, if it is in English, I would like very much to receive this article. you can send it to this adress: centretechnique@lipizzans.eu Or "Château de Ménerval - 76220 MENERVAL _ FRANCE" BR
This is a picture of the Lipica ridingschool in the 70-ies. I do not know all names of the riders, but some.The names of the stallions are very difficult, because they had a lot stallions available for the performance in those times.
From the left (on the picture) 1) Edi ... 2) Stojan Moderc 3) Ladislav Fabris 4) Klavdij Maver 5) Alojz Lah 6) 7) 8) Dusan Maver
O yes, I stayed many times in Hotel Maestoso in Lipica. In ancient times (Yugoslavia!) and in modern times (Slovenia now) as well.
It used to be such a typical quadrangle concrete building, which was the habit in ancient times in Central Europe. But it was redecorated some years ago, with a pleasant luxury.
This is really an old picture, around 1970 I guess. I have seen these faces on other pictures as well, but I do not have names for you. The rider left was later a carriage driver. I have never seen him riding myself. I forgot his name, I fear.
Eight new foto's added, ("herd of young stock" to "Two black lipizzaners") from "1953 Special Zoo-Technique - Breeding of Horses" Published in 1953 by the Czechoslovakian Academy of Agricultural Science
Two black Lipizzaners from the same mother; shaft gelding (right hand) by Solo Neapolitana, 5 yrs old, saddle mare (left hand) by Avara Nona, 4 year old. Slovakia.
Hi Andreas! Yes, that was my first impression too. The brand is definitely not European Lipizzan. And in his type this horse is also not so typical Lipizzan.
The brand on the left thigh indicates a PRE (Andalusian). But perhaps it is a Lipizzaner after all. The brand looks like a crowned H. Herrmann's ??
Thank you both for your help!!! I never knew about Herrmann's branding his horses. This card does not indicate it is Foreign. It is a simple card on Ilford Paper (A Canadian Company). I will write Herrmanns.
No, they are from the 1953 Special Zoo-Technique - Breeding of Horses Published in 1953 by the Czechoslovakian Academy of Agricultural Science and certified by the Ministry of Agriculture. Written by: MVDr Ludvik Ambroz, Frabtisek Bilek, MVDr Karel Blazek, Ing. Jaromir Dusek, Ing. Karel Hartman, Hanus Keil, pro. MVDr Emanuel Kral, Karel Kloubek, Ing. Dr. Frantisek Lerche, Ing. Dr Vaclav Michal, Ing. Dr Zdenek Munki, Ing. Vladimir Mueller, MVDr Julius Penicka, pro. MVDr Emil Pribyl, MVDr Lev Richter, prof. Ing. Dr Josef Rechta, MVDr Karel Sejkora and Ing. Dr Jindrich Steinitz.
I have the text from the book, translated into english (not by me ;-) ) I will email it to you.
Sure. The national stud Topolcianky (nowadays Slovakia) was founded in 1921, with original breeding stock of imperial Lippiza.
Piber and Italian Lipizza (note the change in spelling!) were focused on the breeding of greys, but Topolcianky always tried to maintain the colors within their breed. So they deliberately used non-grey stallions (blacks, browns) in their breeding since 1921. And involved colored brood mares as well. Due to their selection criteria, color varieties remained in Topolcianky, although they are based on the same imperial blood like nowadays Piber and Monterotondo (Italy).
Sometimes Topolcianky used non-grey stallions out of their own breed. But because "colored" Lipizzaner are commonly in the minority, it is very hard to find stallions of a accepted quality. So if they did not have one themselves, they looked for a suitable one in the other traditional state studs. Like (in the old times) Bábolna and Szilvasvarad (both Hungary). Or in Djakovo (Croatia)
Because of their interest in non-greys, due to their selection also 'specialties" remained... In average once in 25 years a dunn, non-grey Lipizzaner is born ! It is still in the genes there...
And that is the reason why the colt Conversano Spadiglia, of this year in Piber, has this color too (with the grey-factor though, I fear...): his mom came from Topolcianky!
I have been looking for this photo for a few years. It shows the opening of the Grand Quadrille during the making of the Disney Movie. Hopefully it can help me with more identifications.
Andreas, Thank you Thank you for the ID on this beautiful stallion & Rider. Does the stallion master the Courbette in hand and then move on to the rider? How long does this training take?
Thank you so much. Check out the next picture I sent. I have never seen one like this before. Hopefully somebody can tel me who is and the stallion.
Hi Andreas, I am really excited about this photo. It is from the same batch of photos in the #1 Photo Album. From the 1920-30's. This guy is wearing stirrups, his legs have no contact, and he is behind the girth. I sent Romy a scan of the back. This was an original 3x5 postcard that has been cut down. I purchased it from a dealer in England, because I had never seen anything like this. I am hoping that some one else might have this photo and can help out. The stallion seems comfortable. He is riding the snaffle only. I don't see any contact on the curb.
Remember I sent a bunch of photos that are in album 1 of this same type only all the riders are in uniform. This one is just so odd.
Wonderful picture Andreas...he looks very much like my Favory Stallion...(Favory II Candita). Of course I have never seen him do a coubette, but will levade and croupade when at play or when he wants show off...
Hey Andreas...I never realized that in a capriole the horse lands with his front feet in the same position as in take off...is that correct? I saw my mare do 3 in a row last fall...She was guarding her hay pile! Oh and I rode my first involuntary Cap as my mare encountered a black and white cow...fireworks were fine with her that day, but the black and white cow was gonna eat her. She caprioled away from the cow...I stuck but what what a lot of power! My daughter was quite impressed that her old mom stuck...we played with the cow quite a bit till she was over that little threshold! She really is a good mare...that was our first time out away from the arena....
Ahh...I will have to look to see if she lands will all 4's then...Does the cap jar your back much? I guess you have some tricks that you learn to keep that from happening. Your roughout saddles and cantles certainly must helo too. Do the SRS Stallions get hacked out much? By the way your english is very good! Thank goodness for you and Mr Hop, otherwise we Americans would be so stinking ignorant of this very noble breed.
I bet! Thanks for the Tip Andreas...and maybe one day I may have the gumption to take a lesson with you..You all at the SRS have such a great reputation, I would probably be too nervous in my Natural Horsemanship ways! Silly me, I like to dance with my girls at liberty. I tell you what come to Idaho anytime and you can relax in our mountains....Do you happen to Snow Ski? Skiing keeps me in great shape to ride in our wintery off season...I am starting to pick out riders when I see folks ski...Of course Austria has fantastic skiing too....(I teach skiing in the wintertime) One other question..has anyone ever thought to do a family type movie about a person who aspires to the SRS? If its done you could make a bundle of money..Do you realize how horse crazy we are in the US? We would go nuts about a SRS movie....I know commercializm does not mix with art but hey, someone has to pay the bills!
I bet! Thanks for the Tip Andreas...and maybe one day I may have the gumption to take a lesson with you..You all at the SRS have such a great reputation, I would probably be too nervous in my Natural Horsemanship ways! Silly me, I like to dance with my girls at liberty. I tell you what come to Idaho anytime and you can relax in our mountains....Do you happen to Snow Ski? Skiing keeps me in great shape to ride in our wintery off season...I am starting to pick out riders when I see folks ski...Of course Austria has fantastic skiing too....(I teach skiing in the wintertime) One other question..has anyone ever thought to do a family type movie about a person who aspires to the SRS? If its done you could make a bundle of money..Do you realize how horse crazy we are in the US? We would go nuts about a SRS movie....I know commercializm does not mix with art but hey, someone has to pay the bills!
During a performance, do you use the pictures on the walls to spot yourself when doing the airs? Just wondering how the choreagraphy is figured out. Also are the shows different? Or is it the same for the whole season? And do show vary from season to season?
Wow...all of that equipment on his head...I have no idea what most of that stuff is other than the side reins...And is that a cradle bridle on him? At least thats what we call it here in the US?
There's a bridle, caveson, a so called "Pilarenhalfter" (halter for the pilars), side-reins for the horse, side-reins for the pilars and a short (white) hand-rein.
Director Ernst Bachinger on Neapolitano Pastime Chief Rider Eder on Maestoso ? Chief Rider Riegler on Siglavy Patrizia Rider Novotny on Favory Bartonia Rider Rostek on Siglavy Priama Rider Christian Bachinger on Conversano Patrizia
Officers of the 2nd Cavalry mounted on Lipizzaners. Col. Charles Reed in the center, flanked by Lt. Col. Easton on the left and Lt. Col. Hargis on the right
No, C.Roviga was born in 1971, so he is not alive anymore. He was ridden by 1st OB Ignaz Lauscha in All Movements, Quadrille and the Solo (I saw them live in Vienna in 1983, and have a video of their last Solo in 1985 in the Wiener Stadthalle). C.Roviga was also ridden by OB Hans Riegler, and he ended his career on Long Rein with 1st OB Norbert Tschautscher.
There is some frozen semen left, though ;-) But not for commercial purposes!
If this is the right C. Mara, Lipizzan registry says:
573 Conversano Mara-35 (P-1998) sired by 414 C. Mantua (P-1978) from 81 Mara (T-1990) by 204 C. VI Gaetana (T-1982), from unknown dam. C. Mantua line is predominantly from Piber (and earlier Lipica) with individual predecessors from Stancic, Vukovar, Djakovo, Eltz and Radautz), while sire of his dam Mara (C. VI Gaetana) originates from Topolcianky with one predecessor from Lipica, one from Piber and one from Lipik.
Yes, this is 573 Conversano Mara, sired by 414 C.Mantua. The dam 81 Mara was born in the Slovakian National Stud Topolcianky, of course with a full pedigree. The ILR is not complete here.
And no, this is not the Croatian mare familiy "Margit". Her dam was 460 Clea (Topolcianky, 1984). It concerns marefamily "Deflorata"
The first 9 foto's are from an article published in 1957. It is a very interesting article; if any one would like a copy, pm me with a mailing address.
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Yes, Romy, if it is in English, I would like very much to receive this article.
AntwortenLöschenyou can send it to this adress: centretechnique@lipizzans.eu
Or "Château de Ménerval - 76220 MENERVAL _ FRANCE"
BR
Colonel Albrecht on Neapolitano Navarra
AntwortenLöschenRider Steinriegler
AntwortenLöschenFirst Chief Rider Lauscha
AntwortenLöschenFirst Chief Rider Irbinger
AntwortenLöschenMes reconaissances, mon cher ami, pour identifier les foto's.
AntwortenLöschenJe ne comprend pas cette part de phrase!
AntwortenLöschenDésolé, il est l'argot.
AntwortenLöschenMes reconaissances= merci
De rien!
AntwortenLöschenfor Marcia-
AntwortenLöschenCan anybody help with the names and riders of the stallions.
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
Foto's after 'Lipica' are from Rotterdam.
AntwortenLöschenLange teugel
AntwortenLöschenFavory Plutona and Rider Seiberl
AntwortenLöschenFavory Plutona and Rider Seiberl
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Eder and Conversano Calzedona
AntwortenLöschenRider Bauer and Pluto Aquilleja
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Riegler and Neapolitano Madar
AntwortenLöschenPluto Riga and Chief Rider Eder
AntwortenLöschenSiglavy Priama and Rider Rostek
AntwortenLöschenleft: Siglavy Dubovina and Rider Radnetter
AntwortenLöschenright: Neapolitano Biserka and Rider Nowotny
Est-il C. Dagmar avec tu?
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Romy would love the article. LaPillar@aol.com
AntwortenLöschenOh my goodness! This is spectacular! I have always been drawn to the Santuzza line....
AntwortenLöschenRotterdam, December 2007
AntwortenLöschenLange Teugel? That's Dutch! :-)
AntwortenLöschenAm langen Zügel - That's German!
Neapolitano Ancona
AntwortenLöschen159 Conversano III Montebella was born in Wimsbach, 1947.
AntwortenLöschenDuring 1953 and 1957 he was breeding stallion in Piber, and "produced" 51 foals!
1st OB Lauscha - OB Tchautscher - OB Kottas - Riegler - Hoyos - O'Brien - Steinriegler -
AntwortenLöschenThis is a picture of the Lipica ridingschool in the 70-ies. I do not know all names of the riders, but some.The names of the stallions are very difficult, because they had a lot stallions available for the performance in those times.
AntwortenLöschenFrom the left (on the picture)
1) Edi ...
2) Stojan Moderc
3) Ladislav Fabris
4) Klavdij Maver
5) Alojz Lah
6)
7)
8) Dusan Maver
AntwortenLöschenThat is the caption on the original foto. :-)
Romy
Atjan, do you know who trained him at the SRS?
AntwortenLöschenI asked an old friend of mine, who was a volunteer in Wels during those times.
AntwortenLöschenI asked an old friend of mine, who was a volunteer in Wels during those times.
AntwortenLöschenAs far as he could remember, Ignaz Lauscha rode C.Montebella.
Great, thank you Atjan!
AntwortenLöschenNeapolitano Montenuova at 30 years of age. Don't know who his rider is.
AntwortenLöschenThis could be a very young Wahl, but I am not sure.
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AntwortenLöschenFoto from Marcia:
Has anybody ever stayed here? Does anybody know the horses/riders?
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
O yes, I stayed many times in Hotel Maestoso in Lipica. In ancient times (Yugoslavia!) and in modern times (Slovenia now) as well.
AntwortenLöschenIt used to be such a typical quadrangle concrete building, which was the habit in ancient times in Central Europe. But it was redecorated some years ago, with a pleasant luxury.
This is really an old picture, around 1970 I guess. I have seen these faces on other pictures as well, but I do not have names for you. The rider left was later a carriage driver. I have never seen him riding myself. I forgot his name, I fear.
Thank you so very much for all your help!!!! I am not a world traveler. I wish I could. I would love to see these places!
AntwortenLöschenThanks so much!
Marcia
Eight new foto's added, ("herd of young stock" to "Two black lipizzaners") from "1953 Special Zoo-Technique - Breeding of Horses"
AntwortenLöschenPublished in 1953 by the Czechoslovakian Academy of Agricultural Science
Two black Lipizzaners from the same mother; shaft gelding (right hand) by Solo Neapolitana, 5 yrs old, saddle mare (left hand) by Avara Nona, 4 year old. Slovakia.
AntwortenLöschenPosted for Marcia:
AntwortenLöschen>This looks like a girl! Stallion has a brand. Please post for me.
Thanks
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
This is not European.
AntwortenLöschenIt looks like an Andalusian, doesn't it?
AntwortenLöschenHi Andreas! Yes, that was my first impression too. The brand is definitely not European Lipizzan. And in his type this horse is also not so typical Lipizzan.
AntwortenLöschenThe brand on the left thigh indicates a PRE (Andalusian). But perhaps it is a Lipizzaner after all. The brand looks like a crowned H. Herrmann's ??
That came to my mind too!
AntwortenLöschenAtjan, do you know more about these colored Lipizzans?
AntwortenLöschenVery interessting!
AntwortenLöschenRomy, are these photos from Marcia? Where are they from?
AntwortenLöschenThank you both for your help!!! I never knew about Herrmann's branding his horses. This card does not indicate it is Foreign. It is a simple card on Ilford Paper (A Canadian Company). I will write Herrmanns.
AntwortenLöschenI will update you if they write me back.
THANKS
No, they are from the 1953 Special Zoo-Technique - Breeding of Horses
AntwortenLöschenPublished in 1953 by the Czechoslovakian Academy of Agricultural Science and certified by the Ministry of Agriculture.
Written by: MVDr Ludvik Ambroz, Frabtisek Bilek, MVDr Karel Blazek, Ing. Jaromir Dusek, Ing. Karel Hartman, Hanus Keil, pro. MVDr Emanuel Kral, Karel Kloubek, Ing. Dr. Frantisek Lerche, Ing. Dr Vaclav Michal, Ing. Dr Zdenek Munki, Ing. Vladimir Mueller, MVDr Julius Penicka, pro. MVDr Emil Pribyl, MVDr Lev Richter, prof. Ing. Dr Josef Rechta, MVDr Karel Sejkora and Ing. Dr Jindrich Steinitz.
I have the text from the book, translated into english (not by me ;-) )
I will email it to you.
Romy
great! thanks!
AntwortenLöschenSure.
AntwortenLöschenThe national stud Topolcianky (nowadays Slovakia) was founded in 1921, with original breeding stock of imperial Lippiza.
Piber and Italian Lipizza (note the change in spelling!) were focused on the breeding of greys, but Topolcianky always tried to maintain the colors within their breed. So they deliberately used non-grey stallions (blacks, browns) in their breeding since 1921. And involved colored brood mares as well. Due to their selection criteria, color varieties remained in Topolcianky, although they are based on the same imperial blood like nowadays Piber and Monterotondo (Italy).
Sometimes Topolcianky used non-grey stallions out of their own breed. But because "colored" Lipizzaner are commonly in the minority, it is very hard to find stallions of a accepted quality. So if they did not have one themselves, they looked for a suitable one in the other traditional state studs. Like (in the old times) Bábolna and Szilvasvarad (both Hungary). Or in Djakovo (Croatia)
Because of their interest in non-greys, due to their selection also 'specialties" remained... In average once in 25 years a dunn, non-grey Lipizzaner is born ! It is still in the genes there...
And that is the reason why the colt Conversano Spadiglia, of this year in Piber, has this color too (with the grey-factor though, I fear...): his mom came from Topolcianky!
Sounds as Lipizzaner/Kladruber crossing to me! But nevertheless interesting!
AntwortenLöschenBy the way, this brown Maestoso (which should be named 81 Maestoso I, not IV) was sired by the grey Maestoso I (Topolcianky, 1928).
AntwortenLöschenThis Maestoso I was a son of a brown Maestoso-stallion from Radautz (1911).
His sire was Maestoso III Titania (Terezovac, 1904), who was black, as far as I remember.
And his sire was Maestoso Servola (Lippiza, 1892), who was definitely black
Posted for Marcia:
AntwortenLöschenLove this photo. Does anybody know who Taylor was riding?
Marcia
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
Posted for Marcia:
AntwortenLöschenI have been looking for this photo for a few years. It shows the opening of
the Grand Quadrille during the making of the Disney Movie. Hopefully it can
help me with more identifications.
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
Posted for Marcia:
AntwortenLöschenGreat photo of the platform used in the movie and Podhajsky teaching Taylor how to salute.
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
Pictures posted for Marcia.
AntwortenLöschen
AntwortenLöschenPictures posted for Marcia
Favory Superba and Chief Rider Riegler
AntwortenLöschenHe is a beautiful stallion.
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Need name of horse & rider?
AntwortenLöschenThanks
Marcia
AntwortenLöschenNew foto from Marcia
Favory Superba and Chief Rider Riegler
AntwortenLöschenFor Marcia:
AntwortenLöschen>>>> "I have never seen anything like this. It's at the summer school. No uniform.
Hopefully somebody can help with this photo."
THANKS bunches
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
Andreas, Thank you Thank you for the ID on this beautiful stallion & Rider. Does the stallion master the Courbette in hand and then move on to the rider? How long does this training take?
AntwortenLöschenThank you so much. Check out the next picture I sent. I have never seen one like this before. Hopefully somebody can tel me who is and the stallion.
Hi Marcia, I have no idea who that is. Can you tell us more on the history of that photo?
AntwortenLöschenHi Andreas, I am really excited about this photo. It is from the same batch of photos in the #1 Photo Album. From the 1920-30's. This guy is wearing stirrups, his legs have no contact, and he is behind the girth. I sent Romy a scan of the back. This was an original 3x5 postcard that has been cut down. I purchased it from a dealer in England, because I had never seen anything like this. I am hoping that some one else might have this photo and can help out. The stallion seems comfortable. He is riding the snaffle only. I don't see any contact on the curb.
AntwortenLöschenRemember I sent a bunch of photos that are in album 1 of this same type only all the riders are in uniform. This one is just so odd.
I just love digging up this old stuff.
Marcia
AntwortenLöschenBack of previous foto.
Romy
Some more foto's, starting with this one.
AntwortenLöschenRomy
That shouldn't be a Courbette ;-) though the horse has both hindlegs in the air.
AntwortenLöschenNeapolitano Nima and Rider Rostek (suposed to be a Levade)
Rider Radnetter and Siglavy Materia
AntwortenLöschenRider Seiberl and Siglavy Theodora II.
AntwortenLöschenRider Seiberl is behind the horse, Rider Oberhauser in front.
Colonel Handler
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Kottas
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Kottas
AntwortenLöschenRider Rothleitner and Favory Raluca
AntwortenLöschenWonderful picture Andreas...he looks very much like my Favory Stallion...(Favory II Candita). Of course I have never seen him do a coubette, but will levade and croupade when at play or when he wants show off...
AntwortenLöschenIs this his take off or landing ?
AntwortenLöschenI very much like this picture. The stallion actually looks like a statue.
AntwortenLöschenThis is take off :-)
AntwortenLöschenAmazing ! The stallion has actually jumped straight up. Absolutely beautiful.
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Hey Andreas...I never realized that in a capriole the horse lands with his front feet in the same position as in take off...is that correct? I saw my mare do 3 in a row last fall...She was guarding her hay pile! Oh and I rode my first involuntary Cap as my mare encountered a black and white cow...fireworks were fine with her that day, but the black and white cow was gonna eat her. She caprioled away from the cow...I stuck but what what a lot of power! My daughter was quite impressed that her old mom stuck...we played with the cow quite a bit till she was over that little threshold! She really is a good mare...that was our first time out away from the arena....
AntwortenLöschenHorses should land with all four feet simultaneously.
AntwortenLöschenAhh...I will have to look to see if she lands will all 4's then...Does the cap jar your back much? I guess you have some tricks that you learn to keep that from happening. Your roughout saddles and cantles certainly must helo too. Do the SRS Stallions get hacked out much? By the way your english is very good! Thank goodness for you and Mr Hop, otherwise we Americans would be so stinking ignorant of this very noble breed.
AntwortenLöschenWe use our knees and upper-legs to prevent that.
AntwortenLöschenJust in their holidays in summer for seven weeks.
AntwortenLöschenI bet! Thanks for the Tip Andreas...and maybe one day I may have the gumption to take a lesson with you..You all at the SRS have such a great reputation, I would probably be too nervous in my Natural Horsemanship ways! Silly me, I like to dance with my girls at liberty. I tell you what come to Idaho anytime and you can relax in our mountains....Do you happen to Snow Ski? Skiing keeps me in great shape to ride in our wintery off season...I am starting to pick out riders when I see folks ski...Of course Austria has fantastic skiing too....(I teach skiing in the wintertime) One other question..has anyone ever thought to do a family type movie about a person who aspires to the SRS? If its done you could make a bundle of money..Do you realize how horse crazy we are in the US? We would go nuts about a SRS movie....I know commercializm does not mix with art but hey, someone has to pay the bills!
AntwortenLöschenI bet! Thanks for the Tip Andreas...and maybe one day I may have the gumption to take a lesson with you..You all at the SRS have such a great reputation, I would probably be too nervous in my Natural Horsemanship ways! Silly me, I like to dance with my girls at liberty. I tell you what come to Idaho anytime and you can relax in our mountains....Do you happen to Snow Ski? Skiing keeps me in great shape to ride in our wintery off season...I am starting to pick out riders when I see folks ski...Of course Austria has fantastic skiing too....(I teach skiing in the wintertime) One other question..has anyone ever thought to do a family type movie about a person who aspires to the SRS? If its done you could make a bundle of money..Do you realize how horse crazy we are in the US? We would go nuts about a SRS movie....I know commercializm does not mix with art but hey, someone has to pay the bills!
AntwortenLöschenAdded some new foto's. I have more to add, but they will have to wait until I am back home ;-)
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Conversano Undine I with Bereiter Harald Bauer
AntwortenLöschenA rather funny picture...
AntwortenLöschenIsn't it? :-) Rider Christian Bachinger is cleaning boots ;-)
AntwortenLöschenRider Herbert Seiberl on Maestoso Virtuosa
AntwortenLöschenConversano Dagmar on the Long Rein
AntwortenLöschenCafé at the Spanish Riding School
AntwortenLöschenGlad to know they get hacked out....Thanks Andreas! --Patrice
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AntwortenLöschenposted for Marcia--
Romy can you ask for an ID for me?
Thanks a bunch.
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
What do you mean Marcia? Romy?
AntwortenLöschenWow....he sure does!
AntwortenLöschenDuring a performance, do you use the pictures on the walls to spot yourself when doing the airs? Just wondering how the choreagraphy is figured out. Also are the shows different? Or is it the same for the whole season? And do show vary from season to season?
AntwortenLöschenWow...all of that equipment on his head...I have no idea what most of that stuff is other than the side reins...And is that a cradle bridle on him? At least thats what we call it here in the US?
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AntwortenLöschenMarcia wants an identification of horse and rider. It will be hard to identify this foto, I think.
{{kisses}}
Romy
Chief Rider Kottas on Siglavy Britanica
AntwortenLöschenI really like this foto.
AntwortenLöschenI really like this foto.
AntwortenLöschennew foto's added
AntwortenLöschenI like this one too! He sure looks like a nice dance partner.....
AntwortenLöschenAss. Rider Florian Bacher and Favory Aquileja
AntwortenLöschenRider Florian Zimmermann I. on Favory Aquileja
AntwortenLöschenRider Herbert Seiberl on Neapolitano Pastime
AntwortenLöschenRider Harald Bauer and Pluto Aquileja (Rider Herbert Seiberl in front)
AntwortenLöschenRider Rudolf Rostek on the late Neapolitano Nima I.
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Wolfgang Eder on Conversano Calcedona
AntwortenLöschenStallmeister Hannes Hamminger in the tackroom
AntwortenLöschenThere's a bridle, caveson, a so called "Pilarenhalfter" (halter for the pilars), side-reins for the horse, side-reins for the pilars and a short (white) hand-rein.
AntwortenLöschenNever heard that expression!
AntwortenLöschenRider Riedler maybe?
AntwortenLöschenRider Rostek and Conversano Mara (Rider Seiberl in front)
AntwortenLöschenDirector Ernst Bachinger on Neapolitano Pastime
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Eder on Maestoso ?
Chief Rider Riegler on Siglavy Patrizia
Rider Novotny on Favory Bartonia
Rider Rostek on Siglavy Priama
Rider Christian Bachinger on Conversano Patrizia
That's a lot of chandeliers!
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Thank you very much Andreas!
AntwortenLöschenFrom where do you get the info Romy?
AntwortenLöschenon Conversano Valdemora (ac. to Erich Lessing's photo archive)
AntwortenLöschenFrom Col. Handlers' book- The Spanish Riding School.
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I have that book too! My favorite part aside from the great info and photos is the fold out page of the School quadrille choreography.
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First Chief Rider Ignaz Lauscha on ?
AntwortenLöschen2nd Cavalry color guard mounted on Lipizzanners
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Officers of the 2nd Cavalry mounted on Lipizzaners. Col. Charles Reed in the center, flanked by Lt. Col. Easton on the left and Lt. Col. Hargis on the right
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More foto's
AntwortenLöschenAndreas, who rides the other horses of Oberbereiter Krzisch now?
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Riegler and F. Bartonia (Rider Nowotny in front)
AntwortenLöschen"Schweiftasche" for the "Caprioleure" (Capriol horses)
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AntwortenLöschenRider Bauer and Conversano Undine
AntwortenLöschenIsn't he? :-)
AntwortenLöschenConversano Roviga!
AntwortenLöschenHe is sooo cute!! :-)))
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Yes, I agree... such a nice horse !! LOL
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AntwortenLöschenYes, the horse is also cute !! ;-)))))))))))))
Romy
Pluto Presciana & First Oberbereiter Norbert Tschautscher
AntwortenLöschen14 days ago we saw N.Nima I in Piber again. In an outstanding condition! 31 years young.
AntwortenLöschenNo, not C. Roviga!
AntwortenLöschenThank you so very much!!!!
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AntwortenLöschenColonel Hans Handler
AntwortenLöschenAre you sure?? C.Roviga had this size, this typical (inelegant) head line, and was ridden around 1983 by 1st OB Lauscha!
AntwortenLöschenCould this possibly be a photo of Charles Harris, who was a student of the Spanish Riding School under Col. Podhajsky during 1948-1951?
AntwortenLöschenNo, this definitely is a picture from the 20-ies or 30-ies.
AntwortenLöschenDoes anybody recognize this stallion?
AntwortenLöschenHi Andreas, Could this be C Roviga? Can you look again. I found the same information Atjanh did. Is this Stallion still alive?
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Marcia
I think this is Neapolitano Strana, but I am not sure.
AntwortenLöschenI have no idea! N. Strana? maybe ......
AntwortenLöschenThe first one is Edvard MAVEC and the last is Dušan MAVEC.
AntwortenLöschenthe riders are: Ivo Umek, Alenka Keršič and Edmund Seražin
AntwortenLöschenThanks Canissa. A mistyping of Dusan's name! And Edi's family name I could not remember!
AntwortenLöschenNo problem!
AntwortenLöschenIt is not easy to see, but if I'm not mistaken:
AntwortenLöschen6) Marjan Turk (may be wrong, can't see the face well)
7) Bogdan Rener (Chief Carriage driver in Lipica nowadays)
Wow, superb photo!
AntwortenLöschenNo, C.Roviga was born in 1971, so he is not alive anymore. He was ridden by 1st OB Ignaz Lauscha in All Movements, Quadrille and the Solo (I saw them live in Vienna in 1983, and have a video of their last Solo in 1985 in the Wiener Stadthalle). C.Roviga was also ridden by OB Hans Riegler, and he ended his career on Long Rein with 1st OB Norbert Tschautscher.
AntwortenLöschenThere is some frozen semen left, though ;-) But not for commercial purposes!
I have that video from 1985 as well, though in bad quality, but really very very good performance. All of it!
AntwortenLöschenAndreas, is my assumption correct for this exercise: the main person is standing behind the horse and the one in front is assisitng him/her?
AntwortenLöschenDoes anyone have an idea where to get those brass hooks? I'd love to make me one of these, but have no clue where to buy the brass stuff...
AntwortenLöschenTotally right Sandi!
AntwortenLöschenThe saddler in the SRS and Spirig might know.
AntwortenLöschenSiglavy Capriola?
AntwortenLöschenDo you still have a saddler in SRS? I thought this position was cancelled?
AntwortenLöschenOK, I'll ask Mr. Siprig, thanks!!
Romy, I would greatly appreciate a copy, if possible. My mailing address is: 12 Foxwin Lane, Elmira, NY 14901. Thanks! Pat Ross
AntwortenLöschenYes, we still do have a saddler. His name is Ali Kanyücel.
AntwortenLöschenI figured it in the mean time, but thanks a lot anyway :))
AntwortenLöschengraceful as ever
AntwortenLöschenAre C. Mara croatian breed?, His parents?
AntwortenLöschenGood question, C. Mara is definitely born in Piber, his sire is Conversano Mantua (SRS). Don't know anything about his dam.
AntwortenLöschenIf this is the right C. Mara, Lipizzan registry says:
AntwortenLöschen573 Conversano Mara-35 (P-1998) sired by 414 C. Mantua (P-1978) from 81 Mara (T-1990) by 204 C. VI Gaetana (T-1982), from unknown dam. C. Mantua line is predominantly from Piber (and earlier Lipica) with individual predecessors from Stancic, Vukovar, Djakovo, Eltz and Radautz), while sire of his dam Mara (C. VI Gaetana) originates from Topolcianky with one predecessor from Lipica, one from Piber and one from Lipik.
This is what I can find in the mentioned Lipizzanregistry at: http://www.lipizzanregistry.com/ILRegister/ILRegister.html?locale=sl_SI
I cannot guarantee the info is correct and complete though. And I am pretty sure Piber Stud has more accurate pedigree...
Yes, this is 573 Conversano Mara, sired by 414 C.Mantua. The dam 81 Mara was born in the Slovakian National Stud Topolcianky, of course with a full pedigree. The ILR is not complete here.
AntwortenLöschenAnd no, this is not the Croatian mare familiy "Margit". Her dam was 460 Clea (Topolcianky, 1984). It concerns marefamily "Deflorata"