I think the first two photos (Ernst Lindenbauer, and Wenzel Zrust with EL) were taken in Olympia in London during an SRS tour to England in the 1920s or 30s. So perhaps the caption for the third photo (of Johann Neumayr? in levade - or courbette? should that near hind be leaving the ground!?) should read "Preparing for Olympia" and was mistranscribed by someone who didn't realize Olympia is a show venue in London! Are these from a US photo archive? That might explain the mistake - unless the SRS gave a display at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. I don't recall reading that anywhere , though of course Col. Podhajsky won his medal in Berlin. The third photo doesn't look to have been taken in Vienna - and the steel girder thingy in the background does suggest Olympia (very ugly, rather Crystal-Palace type building).
I think you are right, it probably should be "Olympia". It looks like the stallion lost his balance in Levade, maybe. The angle of the horse does not look high enough for a Courbette.
Marcia sent me the last 5 foto's. This is what she said about them:
>I have no information on these, except they were sent to me by a person in >Germany who was going to throw them away!
>lip28, 30, 32 are just mare & foal cards. Might be Piber I don't know.
>lip 29 & 31 are much more interesting. Both of these are contact prints. >They were made right from the negatives, Age? Hostau? The Lipizzaner side >view, everybody is smiling, must be a reason. The Lipizzaner front view, >there is a unseen man pointing to the rear leg.
>Anybody want to comment on these wonderful old photos!
The dark mares are warmbloods. Till around 1980 they brad also warmbloods beside Lipizzans in Piber. The warmbloods were old austrian breeds, for example Furioso, Nonius, Gidran and Przedswit.
aber oui bien sur, atjanh, gestern, heute, morgen....mein Geist kommt aus der Zeit, als Schönheit und Kunst bestimmend waren, was ist Sport, was hat der Mensch davon, Erster zu sein, es ist ein Nichts, unbedeutend, und darauf verschwendet er kostbare Zeít? Und wieviel Mißbrauch bedeutet der Ehrgeiz des Menschen für die Pferde.......Das Pferd wird heute zu einem hohen Prozentsatz über Sporterfolge definiert...so arm ist die Zeit geworden.....schön sind sie, unsere Rösser, ein Himmelsgeschenk, die müssen nirgends Erster sein!
Ich habe zwei in Ungarn geritten, einer angenehm zu reiten, der andere nix gutt, Rittigkeit ist ja auch ein Punkt, der dem Glück auf dem Rücken der Pferde dienlich ist....
Foto's added for Marcia; Rider Lauscha on S. Morella and Podhajsky on C.Soja.
Marcia's notes-- "This is Rider Lauscha on Siglavy Morella. Note behind horse is James Franciscus and Lily Taylor. Photos were taken seconds apart, trying to catch the Courbette off the ground. Andreas, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the rider's position is perfect."
"These postcards are Conversano Soja and Podhajsky. Note, "Chain of Pearls" Each horse should be right behind the next. The walking photo is a group of 4 and they would be "mirroring" the group at the other end. Can anybody ID the horse or rider behind Podhajsky? "
No, much later. The Disney-movie was released in 1963. So these pictures must have been earlier. Col.Podhajsky is riding 203 Conversano IV Soja here - he was born in 1952.
The postcards I am sharing are from the Movie and only the movie made in 1962/63. These postcards are identified by the uniforms and the banners along the wall. They used at least 2 performances and probably many short filming and cut work. 2 different stallions are ridden by Podhasjky. They are M. Alea I and S. Soja. As I keep sending postcard scans I will note the differences for everybody to see. As I stated, I believe some of the photos were taken behind the cameras during the filming. The platform used for filming was HUGE. Because they did not want tracks in the ground, the wheels are against both sides of the Riding Hall.
When Robert Taylor enters the hall, you can almost see the shadows of the cameras.
Added more foto's, starting with the foto labeled 28-SRS-600. The foto's labeled "1980's", I don't know if they are from the '80s, that is how they were labeled.
Added lots of great new foto's from Marcia. Starting from foto labeled "List 2.1"
Here are Marcia's notes on each foto:
list 2.1--- 2 great photos of Hans Irbinger and Pluto Brezia
list 3--Podhajsky & Favory Brezia
list 5--This is Pluto Brezia. Handler is either Irbinger or Podhajsky. I question this because of the height of the Man. Podhajsky was taller than Irbinger.
list 6--Podhajsky and Neapolitano Santuzza. Podhajsky said this was the best horse at the Capriole and was never jumped under saddle.
list 7--Hans Irbinger & Neapolitano Ancona. Note this stallion is NOT in the movie. It has been edited out OR never been in the film. Apparently the Disney editors don't know how important a brown horse is during the performance. I can tell you that if Walt Disney was aware of this, this stallion would have been in the film. Walt always wanted accuracy if it was important. I have BEGGED the Disney archives to view this footage but they won't let me.
list 8--This is a very important postcard. It is the only one I have found that shows Podhajsky entering the hall. In order front to back Podhajsky on Maestoso Alea I Josef Riedler on Siglavy Bona (I love this stallion!) Irbinger on ????????? Does anybody know? Earnst Bachinger on Pluto Wanda (I love his ears, they are always pointed back)
list 9--Josef Riedler and Pluto Presciana I
list 10--Podhajsky & C. Soja. That mane really stands out. Great photo, real b/w.
list 11--Both postcards are the same performance. The same first 4 horses appear in both cards. Notice the top card is 12 Riders (Grand Quadrille, is that correct Andreas?) Bottom card is 8 riders but the first 4 riders are again the same. I still need the horse ID'ed for Irbinger. Anybody?
list 12--Again 2 of these postcards show the same horses and riders in the first 4 positions. On the single of Podhajsky, can anybody recognize the other riders or horses?
list 13--I believe these two postcards are also the same group. It is hard for me the see if that is S. Bona behind Podhajsky. The ID on the top card remains the same. S. Bona is behind Podhajsky Now the bottom card is harder This is what I have From Left Hans Irbinger Hubert Eichinger Herbert Irbinger Jr. From the right Karl Mikolka Wolfgang Dellefont Ignaz Lauscha Norman Tschautcher Can anybody help with the horses? That program would be wonderful! I didn't even know a program was printed for this filming.
list 14--I scanned this one alone because it is different than the others. I see Podhajsky on the left. Can anybody help with the others?
list 15--I have the riders Left to right as: Dellefont, Irbinger & Tschautsher. Can anybody help with the horses?
list 16--This is the only postcard I have of the change of horses and line up. Is Podhajsky on M Alea I? This almost looks like Pluto T. The nose looks to pink. S. Bona looks to be the 3rd horse. Anybody able to help with ID's?
list 19--I believe this order is the same Pluto Wanda's ears are GREAT!
list 21--All 4 of these postcards are very slightly different. This is the last group from the Movie. I found many duplicates in the bunch.
I loved sharing, I love my collection. Thanks to everybody for your help and knowledge. You won't be forgotten if I can ever get this put together.
Das war die "Visitenkarte" von Brig.Albrecht, die sich sehen lassen konnte! Man vergleiche dann mal mit dem Aufmarsch von Oulehla....... Und das Schöne ist hier unter vielen anderen Pluspunkten, das die Pferdeköpfe nicht hinter der Senkrechten sind......
Andreas I was there of course. The first time a performance of the SRS in Friesland !!! I'm great fan of the SRS :-) . We worked sometimes for the Friesian studbook. After the performance of SRS two day's there was the show of the Friesian horse we're at that moment stablemanager. But your performance with Conversano Dagmar long reins was so great !!! After see that i try to work with my horse long reins. And found a new passion, thank you very much Andreas and C. Dagmar :-) !!!!
I think it is the same time and place as the first 2 foto's. Paeroa thought it looked like Olympia in London. I think he is right, but obviously outside the arena itself. It looks like Ernst Lindenbauer and Wenzel Zrust are in the line up in this foto, also.
No, I did not see this picture before. But according to the architecture style of the buildings in the background, I could imagine that it is London. We should check if the SRS went to London in 1936. I do not know this by head, I fear... (sorry for that ;-)
New foto--Quadrille--from Marcia -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the Grand Quadrille. I am guessing the date to be 1940's. Can somebody else help with the age. Can you help with the riders. I don't think that is Podhajsky in the lead, so it might be 30's. Where was it taken?
I think that's Ernst Lindenbauer in the lead. It might be at Lainzer Tiergarten - there were quite a few outdoor photos taken there before the School left Vienna during the war. Maybe that's Johann Neumayr with an Oberbereiter's saddlecloth at no. 2? If so (and it's a wild guess), that would make it between about 1942-1944.
I rescaled the original image to a much larger view, but it is too large to put on Multply. If anyone would like to see it, I can email it to them. I can email a larger version of any of the foto's here should someone want them.
I added new foto's, starting from 'broodmares'. The riders I know, I put their names. Podhajsky's foto, I don't know where it was taken. If anyone wants copies, email me.
Maestoso Bonavoja-45. Born Piber 1967 (sire: M.IX Ancona - dam: 8 Bonavoja) - sold to Lipica - Fully trained by Alojz Lah (here on the picture)
For many many years used in the performances in and outside Lipica. On long rein and in Levade. Very friendly and reliable stallion!
Founder of the present Maestoso-line in Lipica. Sire of the famous Grand Prix price winner Maestoso Montenegra and also of Maestoso Allegra. Both competed during the Olympics in LA 1984.
I must be getting OLD! I didn't even see you. Andreas! I am sorry, of course it is you and Isabella. Sorry..... That did not look like you UNTIL now....
That is Maestoso Bonavoja-45 again ! (Piber 1967 - Sire: M.IX Ancona) Together with his trainer Alojz Lah. (See their other picture of his Long Rein performance)
Siglavy Bona is the beautiful young grey behind Podhajsky in most of the scenes in the Disney Movie. He has matured beautifully. Is there a date to this photo?
That's correct. This is picture from the 60-ies. It is Klavdij Maver. Very likely on Favory Dubovina (Lipica, 1959), which was his star horse for many years till the beginning of the 80-ies.
You might be right. But it could be a picture after a pleasant night with a lot of wine ?? ;-) Nevertheless, it looks like Klavdij somehow, don't you think?
I always see this corridor from this perspective, what's there on the left on the other side of the passages? And how do you manage to warm up in here?
It's one stripe. But on the next pic there is also only one and there is Chief Rider Meixner on the pic. Based on the age of the rider here I assume this must have been either a Rider or even a Chief Rider... Is it possible that in those days the stripes had different meaning or something similar??
We still have this uniform and were supposed to wear it at a reception with Emperor Akihito in Tokyo! Originally a Gala-uniform from Habsburg times, it was "reactivated" in the 60s when Walt Disney shot the movie "Miracle of the White Stallions".
OK, till now I admired you people at SRS. From now on... actally there is no words to describe it! I don't imagine to warm up a horse this way (which only prooves the misery of my riding and the very need for my further deep humbleness...!!!
Andreas wrote "though there are some of the same kind"
Indeed there are! In fact, there are 2 very similar photos in his book "Complete Training of Horse and Rider" (See photos 15 Extended Trot and 18 Passage in that book). I always wondered why he selected them to be in the book, especially the extended trot photo
Someone on another forum indicated that in the Berlin 1936 Olympics the levade was a required movement. I do know that the canter pioroutte was included for the first time, but the levade?
Colonel Hans Handler was from 1964 till 1974 director of the Spanish Riding School in Vienna, replacing Colonel Alois Podhajsky. On June 8, 1966 Colonel Handler, Sekt.-Chef Dr. Ferdinand Ott, Sekt.-Chef Dr. Fritz Meznik and General August Rüling founded the "Gesellschaft der Freunde der Spanischen Hofreitschule". If it is indeed Col. Hans Handler in the right ( moving out the picture) this photo must have been taken before his sudden death in 1974
The foto marked "preparing for the Olympics" was labeled that way when I got it. Don't really know why.
AntwortenLöschenI think the first two photos (Ernst Lindenbauer, and Wenzel Zrust with EL) were taken in Olympia in London during an SRS tour to England in the 1920s or 30s. So perhaps the caption for the third photo (of Johann Neumayr? in levade - or courbette? should that near hind be leaving the ground!?) should read "Preparing for Olympia" and was mistranscribed by someone who didn't realize Olympia is a show venue in London! Are these from a US photo archive? That might explain the mistake - unless the SRS gave a display at the 1936 Berlin Olympics. I don't recall reading that anywhere , though of course Col. Podhajsky won his medal in Berlin. The third photo doesn't look to have been taken in Vienna - and the steel girder thingy in the background does suggest Olympia (very ugly, rather Crystal-Palace type building).
AntwortenLöschenhopsa, wie sitzt das Hemd....
AntwortenLöschen....Kultur......
AntwortenLöschenso gefallen sie mir halt am besten, nicht im Viererzugmarathon......
AntwortenLöschenChapeau!
AntwortenLöschenI think you are right, it probably should be "Olympia". It looks like the stallion lost his balance in Levade, maybe. The angle of the horse does not look high enough for a Courbette.
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Lindenbauer
AntwortenLöschenFor sure a Rider (two strips at the Schabrack)
AntwortenLöschenRider Bachinger
AntwortenLöschenThe "Winterreitschule" during summer, shavings are brought in to soften the footing.
AntwortenLöschenShe's not our female Eleve! She's one of our vets.
AntwortenLöschenOne can't really tell, though I think it's a Levade. The rider tries to correct the Levade.
AntwortenLöschenRomy, These are wonderful photos! Thank you so much so sending them. I have 5 old photos I would like to add to these. Can I email to you privately?
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
AntwortenLöschenOf course.
Romy
Marcia sent me the last 5 foto's. This is what she said about them:
AntwortenLöschen>I have no information on these, except they were sent to me by a person in
>Germany who was going to throw them away!
>lip28, 30, 32 are just mare & foal cards. Might be Piber I don't know.
>lip 29 & 31 are much more interesting. Both of these are contact prints.
>They were made right from the negatives, Age? Hostau? The Lipizzaner side
>view, everybody is smiling, must be a reason. The Lipizzaner front view,
>there is a unseen man pointing to the rear leg.
>Anybody want to comment on these wonderful old photos!
>Happy Holidays!
>Marcia
Bundesgestüt Piber
AntwortenLöschenBundesgestüt Piber
AntwortenLöschenPaddocks in Piber
AntwortenLöschenThe dark mares are warmbloods. Till around 1980 they brad also warmbloods beside Lipizzans in Piber. The warmbloods were old austrian breeds, for example Furioso, Nonius, Gidran and Przedswit.
Bundesgestüt Piber
AntwortenLöschenBundesgestüt Piber
AntwortenLöschenDon't the stallion look proud? I love the photo! Isn't the horse a beautiful creature?
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AntwortenLöschenSomething about the horse is essential for the soul of humans.
I love that in this foto, the stallions are so very intently watching what is going on.
So much beauty, power and nobility in one spot.
Romy
You are right, so right!
AntwortenLöschenAccording to the book of Handler & Lessing, this is Johann Neumayr (in duty from 1917-1945). Here still as Bereiter, but later he became Oberbereiter
AntwortenLöschen;-) Maskenball, bist Du noch immer tätig damit?
AntwortenLöschenAs far as I know, this is Maestoso VIII Capriola I (Piber, 1936)
AntwortenLöschen(Sire to M.Cäcilia)
LOVE the nonius...
AntwortenLöschenaber oui bien sur, atjanh, gestern, heute, morgen....mein Geist kommt aus der Zeit, als Schönheit und Kunst bestimmend waren, was ist Sport, was hat der Mensch davon, Erster zu sein, es ist ein Nichts, unbedeutend, und darauf verschwendet er kostbare Zeít? Und wieviel Mißbrauch bedeutet der Ehrgeiz
AntwortenLöschendes Menschen für die Pferde.......Das Pferd wird heute zu einem hohen Prozentsatz über Sporterfolge definiert...so arm ist die Zeit geworden.....schön sind sie, unsere Rösser, ein Himmelsgeschenk, die müssen nirgends Erster sein!
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AntwortenLöschenIch habe zwei in Ungarn geritten, einer angenehm zu reiten, der andere nix gutt,
AntwortenLöschenRittigkeit ist ja auch ein Punkt, der dem Glück auf dem Rücken der Pferde
dienlich ist....
Bin damit eigentlich völlig einverstanden, Maskenball.. l'Art pour l'art
AntwortenLöschenFoto's added for Marcia; Rider Lauscha on S. Morella and Podhajsky on C.Soja.
AntwortenLöschenMarcia's notes--
"This is Rider Lauscha on Siglavy Morella. Note behind horse is James Franciscus and Lily Taylor. Photos were taken seconds apart, trying to catch the Courbette off the ground. Andreas, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the rider's position is perfect."
"These postcards are Conversano Soja and Podhajsky. Note, "Chain of Pearls" Each horse should be right behind the next. The walking photo is a group of 4 and they would be "mirroring" the group at the other end. Can anybody ID the horse or rider behind Podhajsky? "
Is that 1955?
AntwortenLöschenNo, much later. The Disney-movie was released in 1963. So these pictures must have been earlier.
AntwortenLöschenCol.Podhajsky is riding 203 Conversano IV Soja here - he was born in 1952.
The postcards I am sharing are from the Movie and only the movie made in 1962/63. These postcards are identified by the uniforms and the banners along the wall. They used at least 2 performances and probably many short filming and cut work. 2 different stallions are ridden by Podhasjky. They are M. Alea I and S. Soja. As I keep sending postcard scans I will note the differences for everybody to see. As I stated, I believe some of the photos were taken behind the cameras during the filming. The platform used for filming was HUGE. Because they did not want tracks in the ground, the wheels are against both sides of the Riding Hall.
AntwortenLöschenWhen Robert Taylor enters the hall, you can almost see the shadows of the cameras.
this one is simply breathtaking!
AntwortenLöschenAdded more foto's, starting with the foto labeled 28-SRS-600. The foto's labeled "1980's", I don't know if they are from the '80s, that is how they were labeled.
AntwortenLöschenLove this foto!
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Some of the new foto's I know the rider and horse but not the location, some I know the location, but not the rider or horse.
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Hard to tell .......
AntwortenLöschenConversano Dagmar
AntwortenLöschenMe too! It's in Leeuwarden - The Netherlands.
AntwortenLöschenRider Eichinger
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Eichinger
AntwortenLöschenCol. Podhajsky and behind him (left) is Rider Ernst Bachinger.
AntwortenLöschenleft to right:
AntwortenLöschenRider Rouland
Rider Riegler
Rider Krzisch
Rider Tschautscher
Mjr. Helmberger
Col. Albrecht (grey uniform)
First Chief Rider Lauscha
Rider Kottas
Rider Ernst Bachinger
Rider Eichinger
Rider Steinriegler
The rider right (moving out of the picture) is Col. Handler, the rider left (moving out of the picture) is Chief Rider Irbinger.
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Eichinger with (I guess) Siglavy Modena.
AntwortenLöschenright: Maestoso Cäcilia and Chief Rider Tschautscher
AntwortenLöschenleft: Siglavy Troja and Chief Rider Kottas
Siglavy Flora and First Chief Rider Lauscha
AntwortenLöschenNeapolitano Nautika and First Chief Rider Irbinger
AntwortenLöschenSiglavy Bonavoja and First Chief Rider Lauscha
AntwortenLöschenFirst Chief Rider Irbinger and ....................
AntwortenLöschenColonel Handler
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AntwortenLöschen;-) Thanks, H !!
{{kisses}}
Romy
Added lots of great new foto's from Marcia. Starting from foto labeled "List 2.1"
AntwortenLöschenHere are Marcia's notes on each foto:
list 2.1--- 2 great photos of Hans Irbinger and Pluto Brezia
list 3--Podhajsky & Favory Brezia
list 5--This is Pluto Brezia. Handler is either Irbinger or Podhajsky. I question this because of the height of the Man. Podhajsky was taller than Irbinger.
list 6--Podhajsky and Neapolitano Santuzza. Podhajsky said this was the best horse at the Capriole and was never jumped under saddle.
list 7--Hans Irbinger & Neapolitano Ancona. Note this stallion is NOT in the movie. It has been edited out OR never been in the film. Apparently the Disney editors don't know how important a brown horse is during the performance. I can tell you that if Walt Disney was aware of this, this stallion would have been in the film. Walt always wanted accuracy if it was important. I have BEGGED the Disney archives to view this footage but they won't let me.
list 8--This is a very important postcard. It is the only one I have found that shows Podhajsky entering the hall. In order front to back Podhajsky on Maestoso Alea I Josef Riedler on Siglavy Bona (I love this stallion!) Irbinger on ????????? Does anybody know? Earnst Bachinger on Pluto Wanda (I love his ears, they are always pointed back)
list 9--Josef Riedler and Pluto Presciana I
list 10--Podhajsky & C. Soja. That mane really stands out. Great photo, real b/w.
list 11--Both postcards are the same performance. The same first 4 horses appear in both cards. Notice the top card is 12 Riders (Grand Quadrille, is that correct Andreas?) Bottom card is 8 riders but the first 4 riders are again the same. I still need the horse ID'ed for Irbinger. Anybody?
list 12--Again 2 of these postcards show the same horses and riders in the first 4 positions. On the single of Podhajsky, can anybody recognize the other riders or horses?
list 13--I believe these two postcards are also the same group. It is hard for me the see if that is S. Bona behind Podhajsky. The ID on the top card remains the same. S. Bona is behind Podhajsky Now the bottom card is harder This is what I have From Left Hans Irbinger Hubert Eichinger Herbert Irbinger Jr. From the right Karl Mikolka Wolfgang Dellefont Ignaz Lauscha Norman Tschautcher Can anybody help with the horses? That program would be wonderful! I didn't even know a program was printed for this filming.
list 14--I scanned this one alone because it is different than the others. I see Podhajsky on the left. Can anybody help with the others?
list 15--I have the riders Left to right as: Dellefont, Irbinger & Tschautsher. Can anybody help with the horses?
list 16--This is the only postcard I have of the change of horses and line up. Is Podhajsky on M Alea I? This almost looks like Pluto T. The nose looks to pink. S. Bona looks to be the 3rd horse. Anybody able to help with ID's?
list 19--I believe this order is the same Pluto Wanda's ears are GREAT!
list 21--All 4 of these postcards are very slightly different. This is the last group from the Movie. I found many duplicates in the bunch.
I loved sharing, I love my collection.
Thanks to everybody for your help and knowledge. You won't be forgotten if I can ever get this put together.
Marcia
Das war die "Visitenkarte" von Brig.Albrecht, die sich sehen lassen konnte!
AntwortenLöschenMan vergleiche dann mal mit dem Aufmarsch von Oulehla.......
Und das Schöne ist hier unter vielen anderen Pluspunkten, das die Pferdeköpfe nicht hinter der Senkrechten sind......
Chief Rider Irbinger
AntwortenLöschenColonel Podhajsky
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Irbinger
AntwortenLöschenFreude schöner Götterfunken, Tochter aus Elysium...........
AntwortenLöschenColonel Podhajsky
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Irbinger
AntwortenLöschenColonel Podhajsky
AntwortenLöschenColonel Podhajsky
AntwortenLöschenLet me help you....
AntwortenLöschenWith Bühlmayer in the Bräunerstrasse can you buy beautiful mirrors.... ;-)
Andreas, is that - coincidentally - S.Beja ??
AntwortenLöschenNeapolitano Ancona
AntwortenLöschenI really can not imagine, that he was personally pleased with this picture...
AntwortenLöschenI don't know .....
AntwortenLöschenThis photo is taken on tour I guess and I don't know if Handler rode S. Beja ever on tour.
No sorry, it's not on tour! I had a closer look ;-)
AntwortenLöschenMe neither, though there are some of the same kind ..........
AntwortenLöschenBeautiful picture ! It was in 2004 i was there . A performance for the Friesian studbook. That studbook was that moment 125 years old.
AntwortenLöschenVery nice picture ! That was in 2004 performance for the Friesian studbook. The Friesian studbook was that year 125 years old.
AntwortenLöschenWhy do you know that?
AntwortenLöschenHere is the website of Hanneke and her family, then you will understand ;-)
AntwortenLöschenReal Frisian people, you know, with a classical heart !
www.ithoarnleger.nl
{Sorry Hanneke... maar... ere wie ere toekomt! ;-) }
Andreas I was there of course. The first time a performance of the SRS in Friesland !!! I'm great fan of the SRS :-) .
AntwortenLöschenWe worked sometimes for the Friesian studbook. After the performance of SRS two day's there was the show of the Friesian horse we're at that moment stablemanager.
But your performance with Conversano Dagmar long reins was so great !!! After see that i try to work with my horse long reins. And found a new passion, thank you very much Andreas and C. Dagmar :-) !!!!
Thank you Atjan.Yes I come from Friesland. :-)
AntwortenLöschenI'm so sorry but our website is only in dutch.
AntwortenLöschenI think this picture is from Leeuwarden also.
New foto's, starting with '1936 line'
AntwortenLöschenRomy
Hello Andreas, I think I have a copy of this photo, slightly differant positions. Can you give me any Stallions names?
AntwortenLöschenThanks so much
Marcia
Horse and rider from Jerez ?
AntwortenLöschenNo not from Jerez, but from the show group of Don Alvaro Domecq in Torrestrella (near Medina Sidonia)
AntwortenLöschenSee: http://www.torrestrella.com/home_eng.html and then select Art - Magical Horseriding
Thank you Atjan for the information !
AntwortenLöschenWell, I recognize the stallion from Rider Rouland. It's Pluto Perla.
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Tschautscher on Maestoso Cäcilia
The others I don't know.
Marcia do you know where that is?
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Eder and Pluto Riga
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Krzisch and Pluto Servola
AntwortenLöschenRider Radnetter and Siglavy Tiberia
AntwortenLöschen.... in our "Warm up Arena" ;-)
AntwortenLöschenI think it is the same time and place as the first 2 foto's. Paeroa thought it looked like Olympia in London. I think he is right, but obviously outside the arena itself. It looks like Ernst Lindenbauer and Wenzel Zrust are in the line up in this foto, also.
AntwortenLöschenRomy
The riders are: (from left to right)
AntwortenLöschenZrust-Lindenbauer-Polak-Neumayr-Lippert
Atjan, do you know where that is?
AntwortenLöschenNo, I did not see this picture before. But according to the architecture style of the buildings in the background, I could imagine that it is London. We should check if the SRS went to London in 1936. I do not know this by head, I fear... (sorry for that ;-)
AntwortenLöschenSo high! How old is P. Riga?
AntwortenLöschen576 Pluto Riga is born in 1998.
AntwortenLöschenBravo! Such a joy to see all 65! Thanks so much!
AntwortenLöschenNew foto--Quadrille--from Marcia
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This is the Grand Quadrille. I am guessing the date to be 1940's. Can
somebody else help with the age. Can you help with the riders. I don't
think that is Podhajsky in the lead, so it might be 30's. Where was it
taken?
Thanks to everybody.
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
I think that's Ernst Lindenbauer in the lead. It might be at Lainzer Tiergarten - there were quite a few outdoor photos taken there before the School left Vienna during the war. Maybe that's Johann Neumayr with an Oberbereiter's saddlecloth at no. 2? If so (and it's a wild guess), that would make it between about 1942-1944.
AntwortenLöschenI rescaled the original image to a much larger view, but it is too large to put on Multply. If anyone would like to see it, I can email it to them. I can email a larger version of any of the foto's here should someone want them.
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Yes, please email me the photo Romy!
AntwortenLöschenThe last foto, lip33_1, is a much better copy of a previous posting.
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This card is dated 1932. Does anybody have this photo? Can you help me ID
anybody including the horses?
Thanks a bunch
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
I added new foto's, starting from 'broodmares'. The riders I know, I put their names. Podhajsky's foto, I don't know where it was taken. If anyone wants copies, email me.
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I am in awe of the amount of training it must take to do this.
AntwortenLöschenWho is this rider?
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Irbinger
AntwortenLöschenRider Andreas Harrer, he died to early of brain tumor.
AntwortenLöschenPodhajsky in Salzburg
AntwortenLöschenno clue
AntwortenLöschenDoes he have one or two stripes at the shabrack? It looks like one to me, but I am not sure.
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...with Siglavy Monterosa?
AntwortenLöschenJohann Meixner 1921/1922 beautiful Levade. Unknown horse.
AntwortenLöschenLOL !!! Feels soooooooooooooo good to roll !!
AntwortenLöschenRomy
The enjoy the liberty :-)
AntwortenLöschenAdded last foto of Dr.Ouleha
AntwortenLöschenDoes anybody know the stallions' name??
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
Added for Marcia, any info welcome.
AntwortenLöschenPluto Basilika
AntwortenLöschenFor last added foto--
AntwortenLöschenNeed Horse & Handler ID. Does anybody have a year?
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
That's Chief Rider Riegler and Siglavy Europa II.
AntwortenLöschenI guess it's between 1985 and 1990.
Added last foto, "1955"
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Thanks Andreas!!!
AntwortenLöschenI have this postcard. Do we have any ideas on the horses and riders. I know Podhajsky is in the center.
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AntwortenLöschenI need a name of the handler and horse.
Thanks a bunch!
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
Maestoso Bonavoja-45. Born Piber 1967 (sire: M.IX Ancona - dam: 8 Bonavoja) - sold to Lipica - Fully trained by Alojz Lah (here on the picture.
AntwortenLöschenFor many many years used in the performances in and outside Lipica. On long rein and in Levade. Very friendly and reliable stallion!
Sire of the famous Grand Prix price winner Maestoso Monteaura and also of Maestoso Allegra. Both competed during the Olympics in LA 1984.
Maestoso Bonavoja-45. Born Piber 1967 (sire: M.IX Ancona - dam: 8 Bonavoja) - sold to Lipica - Fully trained by Alojz Lah (here on the picture)
AntwortenLöschenFor many many years used in the performances in and outside Lipica. On long rein and in Levade. Very friendly and reliable stallion!
Founder of the present Maestoso-line in Lipica. Sire of the famous Grand Prix price winner Maestoso Montenegra and also of Maestoso Allegra. Both competed during the Olympics in LA 1984.
Thank you Thank you!!! I didn't think I had a chance of idenifing this horse. Thank you so much for your help! Another down! So many left to go!!!!!
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This is me and Conversano Isabella :-)
AntwortenLöschenYou are welcome Marcia!
AntwortenLöschenI must be getting OLD! I didn't even see you. Andreas! I am sorry, of course it is you and Isabella. Sorry..... That did not look like you UNTIL now....
AntwortenLöschenThanks bunches!
Rider Bachinger is riding Pluto Wanda. I love those ears!
AntwortenLöschenAdded for Marcia--
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THANKS!
Marcia Miner: Sanger, TX
A stallion from Lipica! Atjan might know the names!
AntwortenLöschenNew foto's starting with "111"
AntwortenLöschenThat is Maestoso Bonavoja-45 again ! (Piber 1967 - Sire: M.IX Ancona)
AntwortenLöschenTogether with his trainer Alojz Lah.
(See their other picture of his Long Rein performance)
Thank you very much! You are always so helpful. I have another one coming up.
AntwortenLöschenThank you
Marcia
Colonel Handler - Siglavy Bona
AntwortenLöschenSiglavy Bona is the beautiful young grey behind Podhajsky in most of the scenes in the Disney Movie. He has matured beautifully. Is there a date to this photo?
AntwortenLöschenDoes anybody know who the horse & rider are? I believe is was taken in Lipica.
AntwortenLöschenThanks to all for your help.
Does anybody know the Horse & Rider? I believe the photo is from Lipica. Thanks to all for your help.
AntwortenLöschenAtjan, Did you have a chance to look at this photo? Any idea who it it?
AntwortenLöschenThanks so much!
Marci
Chief Rider Krzisch and Neapolitano Troja I
AntwortenLöschenChief Rider Krzisch and Siglavy Mantua I
AntwortenLöschenRider Rostek and Neapolitano Nima I
AntwortenLöschenThat's correct. This is picture from the 60-ies. It is Klavdij Maver. Very likely on Favory Dubovina (Lipica, 1959), which was his star horse for many years till the beginning of the 80-ies.
AntwortenLöschenThank you very much for all your help. Another card down. Thank you!
AntwortenLöschenMarcia
I've seen their solo in 2003 in Schönbrunn - that was so amazing :))
AntwortenLöschenI dare to doubt this is Klavdij Maver.
AntwortenLöschenI doubt this is Klavdij Maver. In the 60s he was younger than the man on the picture.
AntwortenLöschenOberbereiter Gottlieb Polak
AntwortenLöschenDo you still have these gala uniforms at the SRS? I never see them in use anymore..
AntwortenLöschenYou might be right. But it could be a picture after a pleasant night with a lot of wine ?? ;-)
AntwortenLöschenNevertheless, it looks like Klavdij somehow, don't you think?
I always see this corridor from this perspective, what's there on the left on the other side of the passages? And how do you manage to warm up in here?
AntwortenLöschenIt's one stripe. But on the next pic there is also only one and there is Chief Rider Meixner on the pic. Based on the age of the rider here I assume this must have been either a Rider or even a Chief Rider... Is it possible that in those days the stripes had different meaning or something similar??
AntwortenLöschenWe still have this uniform and were supposed to wear it at a reception with Emperor Akihito in Tokyo! Originally a Gala-uniform from Habsburg times, it was "reactivated" in the 60s when Walt Disney shot the movie "Miracle of the White Stallions".
AntwortenLöschenTo be honest I'm not sure if this photo is an original. I think someone redid the photo. It's definitely one stripe.
AntwortenLöschenOn the left are small niches, big enough for two horses to place there and wait to be mounted. In those niches we turn when warming up.
AntwortenLöschenSo you basically warm up the horses by going up and down the corridor? That's it?
AntwortenLöschenSo you basically warm up the horses by going up and down the corridor? That's it?
AntwortenLöschenWe walk, trot and canter up and down. We passage, piaffe and do tempi-changes up to one-tempi-changes.
AntwortenLöschenWe do shoulder and haunches in :-)
OK, till now I admired you people at SRS. From now on... actally there is no words to describe it! I don't imagine to warm up a horse this way (which only prooves the misery of my riding and the very need for my further deep humbleness...!!!
AntwortenLöschenAndreas wrote
AntwortenLöschen"though there are some of the same kind"
Indeed there are! In fact, there are 2 very similar photos in his book "Complete Training of Horse and Rider" (See photos 15 Extended Trot and 18 Passage in that book). I always wondered why he selected them to be in the book, especially the extended trot photo
He is human, or, he has a sense of humor ? Looks to me as if he was making a correction at the time the shot was taken.
AntwortenLöschenOnly the white horses roll !! lol ! (mom's)
AntwortenLöschenSo beautiful I could cry !
AntwortenLöschen"old austrian breeds, for example Furioso, Nonius, Gidran and Przedswit."
AntwortenLöschenThe Breeds are still being bred in Hungary and Romania.
Right, Przedswit, Furioso and Nonius were brad in Piber!
AntwortenLöschenIs there a formula that you use of shavings per square foot ??
AntwortenLöschenWe don't use this kind of footing anymore. This photo is a couple of years old!
AntwortenLöschenSomeone on another forum indicated that in the Berlin 1936 Olympics the levade was a required movement. I do know that the canter pioroutte was included for the first time, but the levade?
AntwortenLöschenNever heard that!
AntwortenLöschenAlfred Cerhaj war ein gebürtige Ungar.Er war sehr befreundet mit die Bereiter der Ungarische Spanische Reitschule Imre Magyar und Andras Bondor.
AntwortenLöschenColonel Hans Handler was from 1964 till 1974 director of the Spanish Riding School in Vienna, replacing Colonel Alois Podhajsky.
AntwortenLöschenOn June 8, 1966 Colonel Handler, Sekt.-Chef Dr. Ferdinand Ott, Sekt.-Chef Dr. Fritz Meznik and General August Rüling founded the "Gesellschaft der Freunde der Spanischen Hofreitschule".
If it is indeed Col. Hans Handler in the right ( moving out the picture) this photo must have been taken before his sudden death in 1974
Alfred Cerha
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